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| Written by Roger Mitton | |
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Page 1 of 3  A long-simmering squabble over the Paracels and Spratlys heats up again
The disputed islands, known to the west as the Paracels and Spratlys, lie amid strategic sea lanes and lucrative fishing grounds and are believed to harbor rich oil and gas deposits. Although Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philippines are also claimants, the major dispute is between China and Vietnam, who assert sovereignty over almost the entire island chains. Last December, after China planted new markers on the Paracels, Hanoi isued a rare public rebuke and officially sanctioned raucous street protests outside the Chinese diplomatic missions in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City. Beijing angrily reasserted its right to the islands and warned the Vietnamese not to go too far. Calling the islands by their Chinese names, foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said: "China has indisputable sovereignty over the Xisha and Nansha islands, and we have all the historical and legal evidence to prove it." So the maritime skirmishes and the deep-rooted animosity has continued unabated. In the latest incident, a Norwegian-registered vessel hired by Russian interests to undertake offshore oil exploration work for the Vietnamese was intercepted by Chinese naval ships and ordered to leave the area or risk being fired upon. The Norwegian boat promptly left the area, exacerbating the chagrin of Hanoi, which was still festering from a decision by the US oil giant ExxonMobil to suddenly terminate its joint oil exploration plans with PetroVietnam. ExxonMobil's decision in July, like that made by its fellow American oil company ConocoPhilips in May, was due to pressure from Beijing, which made it known that any company seeking to exploit the disputed offshore region could kiss goodbye to any plans to do business with China. To reinforce its hardening position, China reportedly dispatched five naval vessels and two submarines to the area around the Paracels earlier this year. More recently, some military sources say they believe China may deploy a JIN Class 094 nuclear submarine to the area, although others are doubtful since the seas around the islands are relatively shallow and viewed as unsuited for deep water submarine activity. Still, the effect of China's toughening stance has meant that the energy-starved Vietnamese, who desperately want to develop the offshore oil and gas deposits, have once again been left fuming. Vietnam Communist Party members expressed their anger at the situation in no uncertain terms at the hurriedly-called party plenum on Oct 2-4 in Hanoi. Just prior to the plenum, Deputy Foreign Minister Vo Dung was dispatched to Beijing as a special envoy of the Hanoi leadership to deliver a Note from Vietnam about the state of bilateral ties.
In unusually strong wording, the Note referred to several sensitive
issues, including the recent incidents in the disputed areas of the
South China Sea and the threats against the foreign oil companies hired
by Vietnam. Comments
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lipomas
written by HenryBee , October 03, 2009
Personally I disagree with the author, but it's his opinion.
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China lost the war
written by Katiusha , July 15, 2009
@ Zheng He:
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The entire world knows that China lost the Sino-Viet War in 1979. China withdrew not because they achieved their goals. It was because they couldn't win the Vietnamese. report abuse
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written by Joseph Tan , June 30, 2009
China invasion of Vietnam in 1979 is mainly because China felt betrayed by Vietnam in that Vietnam invaded Cambodia which Cambodia then was very close with China. One had to face the fact that Vietnam today is able to be united as a unified Vietnam by meant of no little assistance from China. She supplied almost unlimited military hardware and moral or rally international support against America invasion and intervention in this part of the world. (Read: Korean war, Vietnam aggression, bombing of Laos etc) Not only is Vietnam now a unified sovereign nation but she is now in a strong position, she may now able to achieve very high growth compare to many countries in the world
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written by Joseph Tan , June 30, 2009
China invasion of Vietnam in 1979 is mainly because China felt betrayed by Vietnam in that Vietnam invaded Cambodia which Cambodia then was very close with China. One had to face the fact that Vietnam today is able to be united as a unified Vietnam by meant of no little assistance from China. She supplied almost unlimited military hardware and moral or rally international support against America invasion and intervention in this part of the world. (Read: Korean war, Vietnam aggression, bombing of Laos etc) Not only is Vietnam now a unified sovereign nation but she is now in a strong position, she may now able to achieve very high growth compare to many countries in the world
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written by van pham , June 11, 2009
I'm currently writing a series of article on the lost of Vietnamese territories to China in both Vietnamese and English, check it out at: http://vietman.blogspot.com/
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written by van pham , June 11, 2009
I'm doing a series of article on the lost of Vietnamese land to China since 1954 to today, my first article is on the lost of Truong Sa & Hoang Sa to the PRC. Check it out at :http://vietman.blogspot.com/
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Contain China
written by American in Vietnam , May 06, 2009
China needs to be contained. I live in Vietnam. I am a sharp shooter. I will take out a few Chinese before they can get me or my Viet family here.
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Check out the facts
written by Việt Nam Anh Hùng , April 15, 2009
Since some Chinese tried to cite some "facts" which they should learn first and learn from unbiased and trustworthy sources, I also need to remind the Chinese of some facts.
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The man people (well they call everybody except Han man people)from isolated island of Japan defeated China. Nanjing was a great place that time tho, Japanese troops found great pleasure at that whorehouse. Before Japan, ah, there was Manchuria. And before that, oh ok, Mongolia. The Great Wall of China, a great site isn't it? Chinese is damn sure proud of it. What is it used for then? oh, to protect the almighty China dynasty from the man people of Mongolia. nuff said, Vietnamese stands strong forefront so many wars and we will stand forever. China, we want peace but if you want war then bring it on bitch! report abuse
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Well said my Viet fellow men
written by Đại Việt Kiêu Hùng , April 15, 2009
I don't have anything to say coz my Viet fellow men said it all.
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We Vietnamese never and will never afraid of any invaders. All we want is peace. I am a businessman and I have friends and partners around the world including China. Chinese are good friends but they all have the same problem: they know nothing about the world outside China, they think China is the center of the world and everybody has to come to China. It's time for Chinese gov' to open up Wikipedia and let the people learn about the world. The Obama gov appears to be soft on China matter as I see but hopefully it's just because of the bad timing. I don't believe there will be a war. But if it is, don't worry my friend. Vietnam is a hero land. South China was of Nam Viet occupied by Bach Viet people (Baiyue) that stretched Guang Xi, Guang Zhou and Yunnan. The Vietnamese now is the only independent descendant of Baiyue. All other Baiyue descendants (Cantonese), even tho called Yue (Viet) people and speak Yue language in China, admitted to be Han people. That proves how Vietnam is the hero land. report abuse
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written by torance , April 15, 2009
I am interested in politics, history and culture of China and am used to looking for any fresh and informative material on this issue. At http://file.sh/China+and+Globa...rrent.html there is a very interesting informative ebook right about this topic, which also covers relations with Vietnam
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united all to kick out the evil chinese
written by Danwale , February 13, 2009
from tibet to india, russia, vietnam and all unit and teach china a real lesson of aggression.
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china is right now at the modernizing army stage, so it is not waging any big war against its neighbors. However, 10yrs or 20yrs from now who khow? current crisis: china vs vn in east sea china vs s. korean through north korean china occupies the tibet china vs india borders issues china vs russia border issues china vs the world through poisonous products down with the communist chinese report abuse
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Stop Buying Chinese Goods!
written by Tony Le , January 13, 2009
Dear My Fellow Vietnamese,
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DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM CHINA! DO NOT WATCH CHINESE MOVIES! DO NOT TRAVEL TO CHINA! By doing the above actions, China will not eventually have the means to fund its war machine in South East Asia. report abuse
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written by papen , December 27, 2008
@zhenghe: in the 1000 years. many vietnamese people had to work for china and breared chinese names. After they died, no one remembered them.
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If you read more in neutral websites, viet people contributed a lot in research and create new weapons for China in the 1000 years. And please, look at Roman empire. how many countries they are now? China should feel lucky that it didn't disappear like Roman empire and please stop saying that Vietnam is a part of China. It's annoying. Look at yourself. You're so big but you lost to the small Japan and the Mongol which you called babarian from the north. report abuse
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Down with China
written by Hoang , December 14, 2008
Dear Zheng He, China is the only country I know that make up its own history. The only way that there will be peace in the world, freedom in Tibet and the reclaim of Vietnamese land lost to China is the destruction and defeat of China in a war. I hope to see this in my lifetime.
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Shut up, China!
written by Vietnamese , December 09, 2008  Stop your stupid action! report abuse
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Frame the issue in term of Southeast Asia-China
written by TonyLe , November 23, 2008
Although I appreciate the intent of this article, I think it is time for people, including Vietnamese to start reframing the issue not in term of the China-Vietnam dispute, but that of the China-Southeast Asia dispute. China's aggression in the South China Sea affects all the Southeast Asian countries surrounding the sea. Vietnam's either has no conflict with other Southeast Asian countries or only mild conflicts that can be easily resolved through dialogue. Southeast Asian countries need to consider the stakes of the entire region in the face of China's aggression rather than only think about their own country's rights. Unless Southeast Asians, especially Vietnamese who are most vocal against China, start to reframe the conflict, neither Vietnam nor the individual parties in the conflict against China will see much improvement in the situation.
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written by TonyLe , November 23, 2008
What China needs to do is put its money where its mouth is when it comes to espousing mutual collaboration and respecting the territorial integrity of other countries. China needs to stop claiming that over 3/4 of the South China Sea is its own historic sea. Since 1947, China has claimed over 3/4 of the South China Sea as its own waters. It prevents other countries and their citizens from carrying out economic activities in their own EEZs. This is simply outrageous. China has never even bothered to define the coordinates of the dotted line that it drew on the map since 1947 and today, has passed a law requiring Chinese maps to include this ambiguous line. Even China's line and stance is ambiguous, its actions are certainly not. Everytime a country seeks to develop something that China wants, China does everything to stop it from happening. It is not simply acceptable. Ordinary Chinese must see that what their government is doing is simply unjust and unfair. And if they realize that that is the case, they should not display irrational support of their government, even when it means not getting certain resources that they want.
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To Zheng He
written by Viet voice , November 23, 2008
Dude, are you sure you aren't mistaking China for Vietnam when you said that Vietnam had problems with every country on its border? Vietnam only borders a few countries, China, unfortunately being one of them. But China borders many countries. And I believe China is the only country in the world that has engaged in conflict with all of the countries in its borders and in every instance, has declared that it has only fought in SELF DEFENCE!
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Vietnam is tough to swallow, Vietnam is a bee-hive, it will bite you when you disturt them .
written by My beloved Vietnam country , November 23, 2008
Read back the 1979 China-Vietnam war papers , the Deng Xao Ping (spelling) said, he will drink tea at Hanoi in 1 week after China starting war with Vietnam! .... lol . Unfortuanately, Deng didn't achieve his ambition drinking tea at Hanoi in 1 week, and in fact not at all in 10 years , Deng and all bunch of his generals later on had to confess that Vietnam is tougher than they might have thought, and they later on massively underwent so call "Military upgraded and reformed" cause by weakness and strategy failure for invading Vietnam .
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Remember that, Vietnam was so weak in1979 after years of civil war and huge southern delta flooding . And yet, China wasn't even scatching Hanoi at all . Going war with each other gona be costly , Vietnam is a small country and not for any reason going war with China except defending itself . China ambition and greed are the cause of all East sea problems . If China forces Vietnam to the "dead end" by invading Spratly islands, Vietnam will have no choice but to ally with other Super Powers to fight back and regain back the islands, It'll get tougher for China to get oil and shipment goods through East sea and there will be other "Super power" naval base in Vietnam as well forming a water way blocking.. It's strategy failure if China do invade Spratly islands from Vietnam I think . Vietnam is still small and not that strong nowaday, but Vietnam has a massive Vietnamese living around the world, mostly living in USA, France, German, Australia and Canada . Vietnamse has tought at home being always cautions about the neighbor from the north(China), therefore Vietnamese is very and very patriotism and nationalism in nature way from young age . There are estimate around 400000 to half million Vietnamese holding an Engineer or higher degree in develop world . These Vietnamese with their skills and expertises learning , working and living abroad and together with homeland Vietnamese will help defending country a better way in the future . It's a matter of time that Vietnam will be capable of weapon independent and producing all kind of weapon defending itself in near future, I think . In all, I hope China and Vietnam are a good neighbor and conflicting free . It does not do any good for China invades Spratly islands from Vietnam . report abuse
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The world will be better off without China . period !
written by Viet , November 23, 2008
From one scandal to another , from melanine in milk products to lead in toys , from gycerine( car coolant) in medicine to carton parper in kung bao bun ........ They(Chinese) eats carton paper
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To my dear Sino-Viet people
written by Zhuge Liang/ Kong Ming , November 22, 2008
First of all, I respect the nationalism in each of you either Chinese or Viet through your comments in the forum. You are right, history can not be changed, but we could change and make a new page in the history of our 2 nations. We are living in the new era of civilization and technology where making war is the worst decision of any normal healthy governor in the world. Despite the communication and media were underguided and instructed by the 2 left communist government for their interest, more and more Chinese and Vietnamese young people could access to a neutral and accurate source of information to understand and judge themselve the motifs and causes of any matter announcing by their governments.
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The importance of Pracels and Sparlys Island to China in its developping plans in both economic and military power has been accounted since the unification of the great central empire leaded by Chairman Mao Zedong. Vietnam without China support might still be suffered the dominance of French colonization and American Imperialism ..(to be continued) report abuse
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written by Andy from Singapore , November 22, 2008
I would like to bring this up to your attention. Everybody seems to blame each other for the past, that none of you were born at the time and be responsible for.
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Let's look at the recent war between the two China and Vietnam in 1979. Please allow me to ask you this question: "Who wanted that war at first? An ordinary Chinese or an ordinary Vietnamese people?" I bet they have nothing to do with it. I guess an ordrinary Chinese people just want to have a normal, happy life and at the same token, an ordinary Vietnamese people just want to have a peaceful life after their country burned in hell of war for years. So, what went wrong then? In my opinion, it is the communist leadership of two countries failed to solve the conflicts in a better way. They were friends when they need each other. They went to war to fight each others when the conflict of interest arised. It is not the people! Blame it on the communist parties' Politburo Members first. My point is ordinary people from both countries has nothing to do with the war in the past. Do not put more korosen into the fame that ignited by the communist rulers from both sides. By the way, thanks to Roger Mitton for an interesting article. I agree with you that South China Seas problems remain between the two and need to be solved in a better way. Any more wars? Let it gone with the wind, people! report abuse
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History never change
written by Young Vietnamese , November 22, 2008
To Zheng He' s uncultured descendant
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Everyone know china was invaded by many countries: Mongolia, Manchu, England... and most recently is Japan. Even a small country like Japan also could occupy china. I do not want to be rough, but now I know why Japanese have a notice-board around their living place in chinese cities at World War II :" Chinese and dogs are prohibited". I could not stop laughing to hear about Zheng He in wikipedia. He was like traveller, not like a discoverer. Any new island or continent discovered by him? No. You know why? Because like any chinese, he thought that there nowhere else is new except china home. So he is nameless to other countries except china. Meanwhile, Vietnamese have had sailed and discovered Spartly and Paracel and lived there continously since 17th century. Vietnamese is a real discoverer. I advice you should wake up and learn more or become a funny story for everyone. Chinese does not creat mordern time like now. What china have now is just imitate white man, even internet you are using is created by white man, right? Anyway Vietnam will never change their spirit and thought to stand on china head now or 1000 years later. report abuse
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Only Vietnam
written by Hung , November 22, 2008
Before ruled by China, Vietnam has development civilization, it called wet rice civilization, even we had own script. But unfortunate Vietnam beside China, a country is very greedy and cruel, Vietnam history was written by tears and bloods of people and heroes who defended China invader. Vietnam was slaved by China in nearly 1000 years from 207 BC to 938. But China invader never not be undisturbed to govern, they always ran into stiff resistance from Vietnam people. From 908 to now Vietnam is independence country that has own state, own history and own culture. Vietnam people love peace, kind-hearted, but we will stand up to fight against every aggression like we did fought against China, America, France...
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Chinese people should see lesson again that their ancestors was learned in Vietnam: In 938, Ngo Quyen defeat Han army in Bach Dang river, ended 1000 year Chinese domination In 1076 General Ly Thuong Kiet defeat Tang in Nhu Nguyet battle, annihilated over 76000 troops and 80000 coolies 1257-1258 defeat in the first time Mogolia army 1287-1288 in the second broken 500,000 invader troops in defeat Mogolia army 1284-1285 in the third broken 300,000 invader troops Mongo army in Bach Dang river Rose up in arms at Lam Son from 1418-1427, General Le Loi defeat Ming army, In 1789 General Nguyen Hue defeat 200,000 Qing troops 1979 in border war Vietnam army defeat 600,000 Chinese army, annihilate over 65,000 troops in two weeks Vietnam country is justice, we will reclaim Paracels and Spratlys insland report abuse
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Vietnam never failed
written by HÓ Trung Ngh)a , November 22, 2008
history has proven the country's Vietnam never failed ... the young people of Vietnam always ready to die for Viet Nam ever
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Vietnam never failed
written by HÓ Trung Ngh)a , November 22, 2008
Army's peoply vietnam war by the large-scale border in Vietnam, China ...
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All Vietnamese people together kill enemy invaders! http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog- 2XKimHE5dLLi3zkY8tVT4ZVQ6O5U;_ylt=AhqlGhlIYw5OhoewBdEnK _i0AOJ3 report abuse
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That's Life
written by Bobbit , November 22, 2008
The trouble-making Viets -
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Economic & military giants don't want to risk a MAD war today but get their proxies to do their bidding. Right? Just look around the world. Look at the Americans' proxies burning up all over the world whilst the Americans sit comfortably back home and watch the suffering and miseries of those people fighting the wars after having paid for their weaponry. Therefore Osama decided to take the war to the Twin Towers on American soil so he says. India was armed to the teeth by the alarmist US and the USSR then to take on a rising China in the 60s. (Watch Discovery channel. Surprisingly, it's quite neutral.) What happened when India suffered massive losses on the battlefield and New Delhi was on sight of the invading Chinese forces then? Did the US or the USSR come to her rescue and send troops to die for India? The rest is history. India has indeed learnt a costly lesson of being someone else's proxy. There's really no free lunch on this planet, my friend. But India also learnt something about its Asian neighbour unlike the colonist West - that a unilateral withdraw doesn't come with any unequal treaty or concessions forced upon her. If in doubt, go read British scholar, Neville Maxwell's online book which amongst others like Henderson Brook report aren't made public in India even till today. Some would rather be cowards and living than forgotten heroes. report abuse
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No matter who will win
written by vietint , November 22, 2008
Before china takes this land form Vietnamese, please kill all 90 million people, OK?
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United We Stand
written by Vietnam's Son , November 21, 2008
To my Vietnamese patriots:
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Don't pay attention to the Chinese propagandists who are painting the illusion of grandeur about China's past in order to stir up hateful Chinese nationalism in order to serve their expansionist agenda. We don't need to worry about these war-mongers who pretend to spread messages of peace but would not hesitate to stab you once they have the chance. We all know about them. The problem is that they tend to have a short memory and most importantly, ignorant of history. Our iIlustrious history has been made by our ancestors and well-learned by all Vietnamese children: When it comes to fighting China, no matter how big they are, no matter how powerful they are, no matter how much odds are against us, eventually we will win. Why? 1) It's been said that when the hooves of the horses of Genghis Khan's terrifying cavalry crossed any land, that land would be flattened, destroyed and their people made subservient to the Mongolian rulers. That happened in Central Asia, down to the Middle East, to the gateway of European mainland. It also happened to China, when the "greatest empire on earth" was subjugated, defeated, and ruled by the barbarians of the north. But when the Mongols came to Vietnam, or Dai Viet, the great Viet people taught them a big lesson, not once but three times. We were the only one in the history of the world that DECISIVELY defeated the Mongolian invaders on BOTH land and sea. What made it impossible to fathom was the fact that Vietnam at that time was a tiny kingdom wedged in the Red River Delta. To that, we are grateful and alwyas remember the great Tran dynasty, and our beloved General Tran Hung Dao. 2) When the Ming empire was in its heyday, it is said that was when Chinese civilization reached its climax. And as typical Chinese behavior, they thought they were the center of the world by demanding tributes and invading Vietnam, again. At that time, the Ming empire was the richest and most powerful in the world. They easily invaded Vietnam and immediately destroyed, raped, and stole everything they could. They tried to subjugated Vietnam's culture, burned our books, stole our women and properties, and enslaved all our men. (The Chinese are the worst of all the conquerors because of this savage behavoir.) Under the brilliant leadership of Le Loi and the unity of the people, we again defeated and kicked the Ming invaders out of the country. 3) When the Manchus ruled China like master of the universe, they thought Vietnamese were like the Hans, who were weak and could not endure hardship. So, they used false pretends to invade Vietnam again. This time, they got to meet our revered Nguyen Hue, who later became Emperor Quang Trung. With brilliant tactic (fastest troop movement by then standard) and timing, Nguyen Hue's troops caught the invaders with their pants down and easily defeated them within days. and most recently, 4) in 1979, China sent 200,000 plus of their best and brightest to "teach the Vietnamese a lesson" only to get their asses handed to them by 100,000 local militia, mostly old men and women. China's losses in that one-month misadventure was almost half of what the US lost in 10 years fighting in Vietnam. So, when they wanted to save face and called it their 'victory', we just smirked and said: "Okay, whatever!" So you see. This brief reminder of the spirit of the Viets demonstrate that we are a peaceful people who would rather live in peace. But when it was necessary for war, we would all unite and defeat the enemies at all cost, no matter how long it takes. China may be becoming rich and powerful, but relatively speaking, they are not as powerful as in the past. Their armed forces may be powerful now, but relatively speaking, they are not as powerful as the Mongols used to be. For every weapon, there will be a counter-weapon. For every offensive measure, their will be a counter measure to neutralize it. But one truth will remain, the spirit of Vietnam's people will always be free and no mighty Chinese warship, tank, ballistic missile or currency could change that. report abuse
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United We Stand
written by Vietnam's Son , November 21, 2008
To my Vietnamese patriots:
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Don't pay attention to the Chinese propagandists who are painting the illusion of grandeur about China's past in order to stir up hateful Chinese nationalism in order to serve their expansionist agenda. We don't need to worry about these war-mongers who pretend to spread messages of peace but would not hesitate to stab you once they have the chance. We all know about them. The problem is that they tend to have a short memory and most importantly, ignorant of history. Our iIlustrious history has been made by our ancestors and well-learned by all Vietnamese children: When it comes to fighting China, no matter how big they are, no matter how powerful they are, no matter how much odds are against us, eventually we will win. Why? 1) It's been said that when the hooves of the horses of Genghis Khan's terrifying cavalry crossed any land, that land would be flattened, destroyed and their people made subservient to the Mongolian rulers. That happened in Central Asia, down to the Middle East, to the gateway of European mainland. It also happened to China, when the "greatest empire on earth" was subjugated, defeated, and ruled by the barbarians of the north. But when the Mongols came to Vietnam, or Dai Viet, the great Viet people taught them a big lesson, not once but three times. We were the only one in the history of the world that DECISIVELY defeated the Mongolian invaders on BOTH land and sea. What made it impossible to fathom was the fact that Vietnam at that time was a tiny kingdom wedged in the Red River Delta. To that, we are grateful and alwyas remember the great Tran dynasty, and our beloved General Tran Hung Dao. 2) When the Ming empire was in its heyday, it is said that was when Chinese civilization reached its climax. And as typical Chinese behavior, they thought they were the center of the world by demanding tributes and invading Vietnam, again. At that time, the Ming empire was the richest and most powerful in the world. They easily invaded Vietnam and immediately destroyed, raped, and stole everything they could. They tried to subjugated Vietnam's culture, burned our books, stole our women and properties, and enslaved all our men. (The Chinese are the worst of all the conquerors because of this savage behavoir.) Under the brilliant leadership of Le Loi and the unity of the people, we again defeated and kicked the Ming invaders out of the country. 3) When the Manchus ruled China like master of the universe, they thought Vietnamese were like the Hans, who were weak and could not endure hardship. So, they used false pretends to invade Vietnam again. This time, they got to meet our revered Nguyen Hue, who later became Emperor Quang Trung. With brilliant tactic (fastest troop movement by then standard) and timing, Nguyen Hue's troops caught the invaders with their pants down and easily defeated them within days. and most recently, 4) in 1979, China sent 200,000 plus of their best and brightest to "teach the Vietnamese a lesson" only to get their asses handed to them by 100,000 local militia, mostly old men and women. China's losses in that one-month misadventure was almost half of what the US lost in 10 years fighting in Vietnam. So, when they wanted to save face and called it their 'victory', we just smirked and said: "Okay, whatever!" So you see. This brief reminder of the spirit of the Viets demonstrate that we are a peaceful people who would rather live in peace. But when it was necessary for war, we would all unite and defeat the enemies at all cost, no matter how long it takes. China may be becoming rich and powerful, but relatively speaking, they are not as powerful as in the past. Their armed forces may be powerful now, but relatively speaking, they are not as powerful as the Mongols used to be. For every weapon, there will be a counter-weapon. For every offensive measure, their will be a counter measure to neutralize it. But one truth will remain, the spirit of Vietnam's people will always be free and no mighty Chinese warship, tank, ballistic missile or currency could change that. report abuse
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To Zheng He
written by Young Vietnamese , November 21, 2008
It is very funny to say about proper with evildoer. However, let me teach you some basic thing:
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1. To be a civil man, it is no need to win gold medal in Olympic. Do you think civil man is number 1 man? Do you think that Australia have only 14 civil men and the remaining 26 milion Australian are not civil men? 2. Vietnam law allow intelligent and civil foreigners , who contribute to Vietnam, buy apartment in Vietnam except chinese dogs. Why? Because chinese dogs are not intelligent and civil foreigners. 3. Vietnam export many products and we like to import hi-tech weapon. It is for protecting country only. Missle could shoot down USA B52 bombers is just one kind. Sanya submarine base in Hainan island, army base in Paracel, Sparly islands is in range of Vietnam missle. If war happen, all above target will become dust. And may be more target in china mainland. I am sure you won't want your grandchildren, grandparents and even you scare to death and may die because of Vietnam weapon. 4. We all have know that chinese austronaut and cosmonaut go to space 40 years later than Russia and USA. And what they do outside there? I think they achieve nothing like Zheng He 600 years ago. Zheng He told that he go around the world but achieve nothing. Not like Christope Columbo found Ameria and made it become new world. report abuse
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written by SEAsian , November 21, 2008
It is time for the Southeast Asian countries to get together and form a united stance against China's aggression. It is easy for China to take advantage of individuals countries if they deal with China one on one. But as a united bloc, Southeast Asia will become more formidable. We need to see that when united against China, we can not only regain the part of the seas that we are entitled to be international maritime law, but we will prevent China from making unlawful claims about other territories in the future.
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written by Viet voice , November 21, 2008
It's so funny to see China, the biggest imperialist of all playing the "victim" game. I was brutalized. I was raped. I was taken advantage of when I was weak. Baloney. You can make your cheesy dramas as entertainment. But don't apply that drama to real life. If China is a victim to anything, it is victim to its own illusions about grandeur and desire to be "the center of the world". All this melodramatic about being victimized, I say give it up before it makes us vomit.
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Ticklish
written by AS Reader , November 21, 2008
Very amusing . . .
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Can I add another to Zheng He's list. (4) We've all heard of astronauts, cosmonauts and taikonauts but Vietnam noughts? Hee . . . . . . . hee . . report abuse
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Be Humble
written by Zheng He , November 21, 2008
To the same clown who appears everywhere and pretend to be a mad Viet -
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So he implied that Vietnam is Number 1. Now . . . (1) How many gold medals did Vietnam win at the 2008 Olympics? Where is 'powerful' Vietnam ranked? Mind you, Australia won 14 and ranked 6th with only a population of 26 million people. (2) How much foreign reserves does Vietnam have today? Where is 'powerful' Vietnam ranked? (3) What indigenous hi-tech products does Vietnam manufacture & export except for the coffee that the White men drink. Be humble, my friend. Surely, you won't want napalm to be dropped all over your grandchildren all over again. report abuse
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Vietnamaese man always defeat chinese dogs
written by Young Vietnamese , November 21, 2008
I think chinese is like dogs always want to beat everyone and eat more and more. Nowaday you can see chinese live in USA, Euro, South East Asia, Japan, Korea...and everywhere all around the world. They like to live with other nation. I also meet alot of them in HoCHiMinh city, Vietnam. Like dogs want to like with man. But do you see anyone like to live in china? No. Except bussiness reason. Why? Because man do not want to live with dogs. chinese do not know how to live like a civil man. They just want to be dogs. Some one ask me if Vietnam can defeat china? I said that is sure because man always defeat dogs, even big and strong dogs.
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We(vietnamese) will get back Guangzhou, Nanning, and Kunming back next war with China
written by Get Vietnam land back , November 20, 2008
Our history book shows that Guangzhou, Nanning, Kunming , and big island Haikou are part of Vietnam, China illegally took those province and island from Vietnam . Lot of people is now saying, next war with China will be big suffering for both side . Vietnam with help of other big powers will win the war, We .... Vietnamese will get back those provines .......I can't wait to see our land back ....
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Hey China, don't mess with Vietnam , Vietnam is not easy target like Tibet
written by VietNam forever , November 20, 2008
90 million of us at home and over 4 million Vietnamese living oversea . War is suck, Vietnam always wants peace and prospect not wanting any war with China, but if China tries asserted any war upon Vietnam, we ... all of us at homeland or oversea will unite and kick China out of our ancestor land .
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We will do anything, yes anything to get our land back . History has showed that Vietnamese people are not affaid any enmies .... Vietnam is not Tibet, not easy target like Tibet, so make no mistake China ... report abuse
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written by No To Imperialism , November 20, 2008
Zheng He: "When the Chinese maritime armada sailed & ruled the high seas under the mighty Admiral Zheng He during ancient times I wonder whether the then backward, land-lubbering Viets knew if land really existed beyond their shores, given that they came under Chinese rule for more than 1 000 YEARS! "
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Zheng He might have sailed the seas (loads of other people did at the time Arabs, Indians, Malays, Vietnamese, Filipinos) but it's a lie to say that he ruled them. Did he and China make rules on those seas? Did they enforce those rules on those seas? Did seafarers from other lands accept and obey them? The answer is: No, no, no. So to say that "When the Chinese maritime armada sailed & ruled the high seas under the mighty Admiral Zheng He during ancient times" is just a lie. A lie to support the new imperialism that now tries to claim the whole South China Sea. Britain ruled the seas for real. But Britain doesn't try to claim whole seas for itself. Britain has given up imperialism. China is giving birth to new imperialism. report abuse
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written by No To Imperialism , November 20, 2008
Malcom:"A bit too far fetched I guess. To be fair, everyone knows ancient China possessed the technology & navigational skills of the time to sail the high seas then as demonstrated by Admiral Zheng He.
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Vietnam then ?????? " The peoples of South East Asia (Vietnamese, Cham, Malay, Javanese, Filippino) had been crisscrossing the South China Sea long before Zheng He. Champa (part of modern day Vietnam) was a great sea faring nation in the region. The Malay peoples were great sea farers. Vietnam and Champa had diplomatic contacts with Java well before the time of Zheng He. How do you think they travelled to Java? In the 13th century, well before Zheng He, the Ly royal family of Vietnam was deposed, so they sailed all the way to Korea and settled there, where their descendants keep their identities to this day (the Lee Hwasan clan). The South China Sea has always been an international sea, and that is how it should always be. It has never been under Chinese sovereignty, and it should never be. Zheng He was a flash in the pan. Even if he had stopped by the Paracels and Spratlys (something not really proven), it does not give China any more ownership than countless South East Asians who had stopped by those islands long before him and long after him give their country ownership. Regarding the Paracels, Vietnam was the first country to declared sovereignty there in the 17th century (as opposed to people stopping by and using). China had no counter claim and did not dispute that until 1909. Let the International Court of Justice weigh up China claims about Zheng He against Vietnam's declaration and affirmation of sovereignty there in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, and the absence of any Chinese counter claim in the period. report abuse
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Mine & Yours
written by Zheng He , November 20, 2008
When the Chinese maritime armada sailed & ruled the high seas under the mighty Admiral Zheng He during ancient times I wonder whether the then backward, land-lubbering Viets knew if land really existed beyond their shores, given that they came under Chinese rule for more than 1 000 YEARS!
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Under the opium-smoking Manchus (Ching), the West (French), as usual, engineered the secession of Vietnam from the motherland. Well, that's history. In recent history we have the Falklands & Argentina, Goa & the US, Christmas Island & Australia or even Gibraltar & the UK. Unlike the Chinese' claims, these really are far-flung territories which they lay claim and are occupying. report abuse
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written by Trajng , November 19, 2008
Truong Sa - Hoang Sa belong to VN! Always.
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written by Trajng , November 19, 2008
China, wake up!, stop dream!
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Motives & Agendas
written by Mongkok , November 19, 2008
Roger Mitton 's motive and agenda looks suspicious.
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Inflaming and instigating foolish Vietnam to take on a giant, not unlike what happened to itself in the late 70s and to poor India in the 60s. The consequences . . . . Who came to their rescue? Frankly, so long as the theater of war is fought on the proxy's soil, it's okay I guess for "we're not involved at all in the physical destruction or the human sorrow & misery short of supplying weapons from afar and watching the contending parties burn." How smart . . . But I guess rational minds today don't easily fall prey anymore to such likely Western trickery and plots advocated by the writer. Third world nations have learnt the hard way from past experiences and they also do their own calculations. report abuse
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written by Trang , November 19, 2008
China, read the China history, it'll remind you, many time to invade VN, many time China was defeat. In past, now and future! Always!
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written by Tr¡ng , November 19, 2008
China, read the China history, it'll remind you, many time to invade VN, many time China was defeat. In past, now and future! Always!
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Spratly islands and Paracel is;ands of Viet Nam
written by Hồ Trung Nghĩa , November 19, 2008
I think the issue you raised above is not relevant to the article's authors. young people Viet Nam we are interested in the dangers of Vietnam since the war with China in the future and issues earth warming we want peace, stability there will be solutions for sea-level insurgent and Earth's warming.
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Check out these facts
written by Zheng He , November 19, 2008
to HoTrungNghia -
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Don't be silly you don't have to go to war with China today to die. China's neither managed by its Mongols (Yuan) nor its Manchus (Ching). The Han is back governing now i.e. if are familiar with Chinese history - the Tang and the Ming Dynasties. They are after knowledge, for the economy and friendly relationship with others (but please don't take advantage). Now, the sorry state of Vietnam - (1) Vietnam, a narrow strip of land facing the South CHINA Sea, will eventually suffer further. Global warming is now raising the sea water level and it will eventually shrink Vietnam. (2) Global warming now will ensure that the countless typhoons continually flood and devastate coastal Vietnam. (3) The current long-lasting financial tsunami will set Vietnam back to at least one decade before. Check these facts out. Think without emotion first. And good luck to all you brave Vietnamese! report abuse
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Truong Sa hoang sa
written by HoTrungNghia , November 19, 2008
We do not fear China. Vietnamese people are ready to war with China, we are always ready
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Viet Nam muon nam !
written by HoTrungNghia , November 19, 2008
We do not fear China. Vietnamese people are ready to war with China, we are always ready
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Việt Nam muôn năm !
written by HoTrungNghia , November 19, 2008
We do not fear China. Vietnamese people are ready to war with China, we are always ready
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In Perspective
written by Malcom , November 19, 2008
written by No To Imperialism , November 18, 2008 -
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"China has been occupying the Paracels and some of the Spratlys. Plenty of time to go and bury artefacts there to be "found". " A bit too far fetched I guess. To be fair, everyone knows ancient China possessed the technology & navigational skills of the time to sail the high seas then as demonstrated by Admiral Zheng He. Vietnam then ?????? Let's stay with plausible facts on this reputable site and enjoy one another's credible messages. report abuse
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written by jaap holm , November 19, 2008
Dear zheng He
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A name a bit ill chosen i guess. Zheng didnt have b**lls, did he? But the whole argumentation is tiring to say the least. Based on 'it's mine because I saw it first'. And even that we don't know. NOBODY knows who landed there first. And by the way; the days that u can claim on that argumentation are over. Not fair for Chinese aiguozi maybe, but it died with the conclusion of the the western colonial period. On the other hand china should be happy about it. It would interfere with the 'great' space ambition. Taikongnauts in line at the american embassy for a visa to visit the moon? report abuse
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written by No To Imperialism , November 18, 2008
Dear Admiral Zheng He
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"Due to the Vietnamese attack on Cambodia, as well as its military occupation of the Spratly Islands, tensions between China and Vietnam rose to a new height. Small border incursions in 1979 led to a full scale retaliatory attack by China on February 17, 1979 from three different points in two Chinese provinces. After a devastating rocket barrage by the superior Chinese forces, the Chinese People's Liberation Army forces were able to push down near Hanoi." Isn't it obvious who wrote the rubbish above. China's invasion of Vietnam in 1979 was a "retaliatory attack"? Yeah, right. Actually, China did not fully retreat from Vietnamese land after the invasion. China continued to occupy 22 Vietnamese mountains and are still occupying 6 today. China has been occupying the Paracels and some of the Spratlys. Plenty of time to go and bury artefacts there to be "found". But even that does not prove that the Paracels and Spratlys belonged to China. Roman coins have been found in Vietnam. It doesn't prove Vietnam belonged to Rome. If China really believes that the Paracels and Spratlys and virtually all of the South China Sea belong to it, let's go to the International Court of Justice. report abuse
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Facts & Truth Don't Hide
written by Admiral Zheng He , November 18, 2008
Check out:- http://publicliterature.org/en...m_war.html
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"Due to the Vietnamese attack on Cambodia, as well as its military occupation of the Spratly Islands, tensions between China and Vietnam rose to a new height. Small border incursions in 1979 led to a full scale retaliatory attack by China on February 17, 1979 from three different points in two Chinese provinces. After a devastating rocket barrage by the superior Chinese forces, the Chinese People's Liberation Army forces were able to push down near Hanoi." Check out:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War The PLA managed to advance about forty kilometres into Vietnam, with fighting mainly occurring in the provinces of Cao Bang, Lao Cai and Lang Son. On March 6, the Chinese occupied the city of Lang Son. They claimed the gate to Hanoi was open, declared their punitive mission achieved, and withdrew quickly. Conclusion:- The Chinese wasn't & isn't interested in an inch of Vietnamese territory. Having taught the Viets a lesson they withdrew when Hanoi was in sight. No treaty was forced upon the Viets unlike other powers. Likewise, the Chinese withdrew when New Delhi was in sight. Again no treaty was forced upon India unlike other powers. Can this be said of the imperialist West or even Japan when the won the wars? The US has given Vietnam enough napalms to last for centuries! Today, China has more than $2 trillion in reserves. It has wealth and power. Taikongnauts have walked in space and J10 are flying the Chinese skies. The Mings like the Han Chinese sent Cheng Ho and the powerful maritime fleet to make friends not take over Australia, New Zealand, the Americas. Think! Think hard. Finally, what has archeology found in the Spratleys & Paracels? Vietnamese or Chinese artifacts and relics? Go check them out. report abuse
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written by No To Imperialism , November 18, 2008
Douglas Wong: "+ Historical facts don't change. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam - "
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China occupying Vietnam does not make Vietnam a part of China. When Japan occupied parts of China, did that make them parts of Japan? China's occupation was never accepted by Vietnam. We fought the imperialist occupiers until we got our independence, no matter how long it took, even if it took 1000 years. Does that give you the message? Why is China always insisting that this and that is part of China when it is against the wish of the people? report abuse
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written by No To Imperialism , November 18, 2008
China claims the Paracels. The Paracels were under Vietnam's government from 17th century, all the way to the 19th century. China took advantage of the French occupation of Vietnam to declare sovereignty over the Paracels in 1909. It is not Western colonialism taking land from China. It is China taking advantage if Western colonialism to take lands from other countries.
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China claims the Spratlys, yet in the 1930s China's own border commission claimed that China's southern limit is the Paracels, which does not include the Spratlys. China's claim to the Spratlys, starting from after WW2, is NEW IMPERIALISM. China claims vitrually all of the South China Sea. It is a lie to say that the South China Sea belonged to China but was taken away by the West so now China is getting it back. The South China Sea has always belonged to the world and to all the peoples around it. China's claim to the South China Sea, starting from 1947, is NEW IMPERIALISM. It is not simply China standing up. It is China trampling on the countries of South East Asia. report abuse
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Annam
written by Hochiming , November 18, 2008
According to history, Vietnam today is known as Annam in ancient time. It has been a province or dependency of China before the French came.
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written by Micheal , November 17, 2008
Once again the Northern Chinese brethren choose to try and shave the eyebrows of the (as yet) largely undefeated and military superior Vietnamese brothers, (and sisters!). Who are they kidding? Just because they have a billion and a half people doesn't make them special... quite the opposite actually... I mean, what a lack of upbringing to reach such a state! The only other country to exact such a ferocious toll on the planet is India, (your comments separately please!).
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No, if the intellectuals in Beijing have to try and repeat their historic failures (it is after all, part of the human condition!) then I would imagine that the average Vietnamese might say, "Bring it on. It was only a few years ago when you you were running like rabbits!" (The last sentence is a paraphrased quote attributed to a Vietnamese soldier who fought against the Chinese in the 70's). Besides, the world grows tired of things like the bubonic plague, SARS, Melamine scandals, Paint poisons on children's toys, human meat, or even chemically altered cardboard in Ban Bao, parasitical eggs in kim chi, avian flu, on-line videos of Chinese people eating babies, and gross infanticide of baby girls because of the ridiculously male dominant culture and the one child policy... the list is endless, and even the bubonic plague, which eradicated almost half of Europe has been noted to come from that one place, which could be the centre of the universe except for the crap that comes out of it, China! Where did the 'Great China' go? Your Move! report abuse
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written by Tony Papas , November 17, 2008
China has used its economic power to finance its military expansion in the South Sea.
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AS VIETNAMESE, WE MUST STOP BUYING ANYTHING MADE FROM CHINA SO THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO SUPPORT ITS WAR MACHINE. STOP BUYING ANYTHING MADE FROM CHINA! report abuse
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eyebrows
written by Billster , November 16, 2008
Once again the Northern Chinese brethren choose to try and shave the eyebrows of the (as yet) largely undefeated and military superior Vietnamese brothers, (and sisters!). Who are they kidding? Just because they have a billion and a half people doesn't make them special... quite the opposite actually... I mean, what a lack of upbringing to reach such a state! The only other country to exact such a ferocious toll on the planet is India, (your comments separately please!).
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No, if the intellectuals in Beijing have to try and repeat their historic failures (it is after all, part of the human condition!) then I would imagine that the average Vietnamese might say, "Bring it on. It was only a few years ago when you you were running like rabbits!" (The last sentence is a paraphrased quote attributed to a Vietnamese soldier who fought against the Chinese in the 70's). Besides, the world grows tired of things like the bubonic plague, SARS, Melamine scandals, Paint poisons on children's toys, human meat, or even chemically altered cardboard in Ban Bao, parasitical eggs in kim chi, avian flu, on-line videos of Chinese people eating babies, and gross infanticide of baby girls because of the ridiculously male dominant culture and the one child policy... the list is endless, and even the bubonic plague, which eradicated almost half of Europe has been noted to come from that one place, which could be the centre of the universe except for the crap that comes out of it, China! Where did the 'Great China' go? Your Move! report abuse
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Vietnam finaly win
written by Great Vietnam , November 16, 2008
Vietnamese will get back Spartly and Paracel someday and china robber should not dream about East Sea. A great battle will happen on East Sea and like history everyone know, Vietnam will finally win. Wait and see!
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Your next burial ground!
written by The Tran Family , November 15, 2008
The next graveyard for the Chinese expansionists will be in Vietnam's East Sea. Retarded Chinks, be prepared for that!
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written by The Tran Family , November 15, 2008
Vietnam has always been representing a reminder of China's humiliating defeats. Say, Vietnam is like a piece of bone that the dog-like China cannot swallow. If the Chinese want to get back to what they exprienced in the 20th century and before, what they should to is just to be daring enough to touch the moustache of the heroic and patriotic Vietnamese!
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written by lmp , November 15, 2008
How stupid the Chinese is! I read the comments and I found that you are very stupid.
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written by Spratly and Paracel of VietNam Forever , November 15, 2008
Don't ask why did! for the simple reason it's China.
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Long live VIETNAM-DAIVIET
written by DAIVIET , November 15, 2008
Whatever it takes whether our time, our life of generations, we Vietnamese will always fight against the Chinese for our Hoang Sa (Paracels) and Truong Sa (Spratlys) archipelagos and take them back. The Chinese will eventually be horribly defeated as their ancestors did in the history in Bach Dang battles, Dong Da and many more battles.
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Powers from Viet Nam
written by VIET NAM , November 15, 2008
China?/that is ridiculous
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if someone think Viet Nam is a part of China.During the period of centuries,Viet Nam always dislodge China out territory and make them get ignominious defeats. And now it is too!Viet Nam will never let some country trespass sovereignty of Viet Nam!! report abuse
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written by linh , November 15, 2008
"My beloved father Deng Xiao Ping told us he and his comrades could only close their eyes if one day China can not take Vietnam back and we are on the way to merge Vietnam, turn it in to one of our province."
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Where is it that he said that? Please give source. And you are saying Deng Xiao Ping died while can't close his eyes? You are an ungrateful twat you know that? He was the one who made China what it is today, and you are saying he died and can't close his eyes? What's wrong with these people? My Chinese friends aren't like these! (yes, they are from mainland China and they also defend China with all their hearts, but they are sane and thinking people). report abuse
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written by linh , November 15, 2008
@JingJang: "The Spratly islands have been part of China for centuries, as were the regions of Tibet and Mongolia. During the period when China was weak, the western nations, as well as Russia and japan, invaded China and carved out large parcels of China to call their own. By comparison the much younger country of USA contains large tracts of land tha were annexed from Mexico and other countries. How would the USA feel if Mexico started demanding that Texas and California be returned to Mexico? Or that Florida be returned to Spain? Or Hawaii and Puerto Rico declare independence?"
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Do they? Are they standing up? Will they ask for independence? Obviously no! Because they would be worse off if they go independence that's why! You really are stupid you know, the two issues are completely different. If Vietnam merged into China, she will suffer like Tibet does, that's a fact. If those states break away/gain independence, they will be without the economic/political/millitary benefit the U.S. offers. In fact, they will be worse off in every aspect for-mentioned. What kind of comparison is that? Think before you write something stupid. And go wave your flag somewhere else. report abuse
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Facts Speak
written by Douglas Wong , November 15, 2008
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written by tn , November 15, 2008 since when vietnam was part of china? hmm..i think the whole world should belong to the chinese. Until then, the chinese will claim every country bordering china as part of china. china can only take advantage of weaker countries militarily. why don't the chinese take on the Americans or Japanese? They would get their azz kicked that's why. + Historical facts don't change. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam - "Vietnam was under Chinese control for A THOUSAND YEARS (how old is the US after the Red Indians have been driven to reservation or decimated?) before becoming a nation-state in the 10th century." The imperialist West tore a then weak China apart. Today they still want to try with Taiwan & Tibet but alas, once bitten twice shy, China has learnt fast. report abuse
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written by tn , November 15, 2008
since when vietnam was part of china? hmm..i think the whole world should belong to the chinese. Until then, the chinese will claim every country bordering china as part of china. china can only take advantage of weaker countries militarily. why don't the chinese take on the Americans or Japanese? They would get their azz kicked that's why.
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Mr Mitton's article flaws
written by Javier delgado , November 14, 2008
I am skeptical up to what extent the years of the Vietnam primer minister Mr Dung spent as a young student in China could play any role in the Vietnamese people and elites in perceiving him as a unqualified to face China's claims in the two islands.
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Furthermore, Mr Mitton fails to underline the arguments (historical, geographic and the alike) put forward by the parties to sustain their claims over the spots. Without these references, any conclusions drawn merely over the reading of this article would be baseless. report abuse
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China attempting to rob land
written by T. Nguyen , November 14, 2008
Well, history has proved that China suffered defeats by attempting to capture Vietnam for over 2000 years. Chinese behavior recently suggests that China will suffer defeat by attempting to capture Vietnam for the next 2000 years. China never changes. Same old China since thousands of years.
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China-vietnam
written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , November 14, 2008
Down with the Chinese leaders! They vanquished the Manchurians, occupied and ruled half of the
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Mogolians, are exterminating the Muslims and Tibetans. They took land of the Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese. Your day of reckoning is coming pal. Enjoy your last few days of glorious wrong doings. You will get an earthquake ten times worse. report abuse
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