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The Vietnamese government is playing the cards right. Vietnam needs China, and cannot afford to have bad relations with its big northern neighbour. WIth China's huge trade surplus with countries like USA and many other European countries, China is constantly under pressure from protectionism by these countries. Vietnam would be a convenient place for Chinese companies to set up shop to manufacture goods as a work around. It would be silly of Vietnam not to take advantage of that. And there is no use for Vietnam to use military means to solve territorial issues like the Spratlys. No matter how many guns and troops Vietnam can muster, China will have more. It is better to solve it diplomatically and consider joint ventures to harness the resources of the disputed territories.

"Vietnam needs China
written by Roberto , September 22, 2009
The Vietnamese government is playing the cards right. Vietnam needs China, and cannot afford to have bad relations with its big northern neighbour. WIth China's huge trade surplus with countries like USA and many other European countries, China is constantly under pressure from protectionism by these countries. Vietnam would be a convenient place for Chinese companies to set up shop to manufacture goods as a work around. It would be silly of Vietnam not to take advantage of that. And there is no use for Vietnam to use military means to solve territorial issues like the Spratlys. No matter how many guns and troops Vietnam can muster, China will have more. It is better to solve it diplomatically and consider joint ventures to harness the resources of the disputed territories. "

A silly thought when China still need job for their own people

Pheng, obviously you are very out of touch with business realities. China is a big investor in Asia. Chinese companies have opened factories in many countries in other Asian countries. European and American companies frequently lobby their government to impose "anti dumping" penalties on Chinese goods to protect their markets. One of the ways Chinese companies get around these type of protectionism is by having some of the production done in other countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, etc, as the American and European countries' anti dumping penalties did not extend to these countries.
So, PHENG, YOU are the silly uninformed one. Your comment show your lack of knowledge in business realities.

Yeah, besides having to dodge protectionism in Europe and USA, Chinese companies also knows that its "Made in China", or "Processed in China" label also carries a liability in terms of consumer trust. For axample, China finds that it cannot export its food stuff to the Muslim markets in the middle east because the people there don't trust their "Halal" label. So China is now trying to process the food stuff in Malaysia and Indonesia in order to export foodstuff to the middle east.
Besides "anti dumping" penalties, Chinese goods are also subject to import quotas in the USA and Europe. In a way it is good for the smaller countries, as they get to pick up the production business which would otherwise have gone to China.

First of all; in term of efficiency, productivity Japan is the best when it comes to using robots to manufacture cars for example:
Despite Chinese cheap labour, it costs more to manufacture a car in China compared to Japan, Japan use robot to manufacture cars.
Second, in terms of environment Japanese companies pollute much less than Chinese made car
when it comes to virtue and ethics, Chinese companies and government is no less than a piece of s**t, asshole.

Why do Vietnam need PRC? she ain't have ethics, virtue, when it comes to technologies, PRC steal from USA, Europe
Keep away from China asshole

China is a bully and the world needs to pay attention. An increasingly powerful China - economically and militarily - is a threat to the peace of the region and the world. China has historically supported evil forces to further its interests and influences. Look at what the Chinese have been doing in Africa. During the Vietnam war, Mao Zedong, the Chinese leader, did everything he could to ensure a total destruction for Vietnam. China's strategic aim throughout the war was to destroy Vietnam while wounding the Americans. And China achieved both. One way to curtail the menacing rise of China would be neither buying its products nor embracing its culture. China is the mother of all deceptions.

Vietynam should not get trapped in history. Sure enough China and Vietnam had some violent history before, but governments of both countries have evolved, as well as their policies. Similarly the USA and Vietnam too have a violent history. So too was the history between France and Vietnam. All these are now history. So too was the history between the north and the south of Vietnam.
If Vietnam was to be emotionally trapped by its own history, it is only to its own disadvantage.

China has always treated Vietnam like a colony that was ruled by the much bigger but bad neighbor for close to one thousand years. China has engaged in a decade-long campaign to incrementally grab land and sea territories that legally belong to Vietnam. Paracel and Spratly islands both historically belong to Vietnam, but China has annexed the two islands to Hainan of China.

Vietnamese fishermen have been violently attacked and harassed by the Chinese navy in Vietnam's territorial waters surrounding the islands, some were terrorized and held for ransoms. So the Chinese have behaved as if they were pirates. China is a bad world power.

China is always at war with the Vietnamese people - even if it may have a friendly ally or puppets in a Vietnamese government.

China must get the hell out of Vietnam.

"China has open factories in many countries"? Maybe they have, but they bring their own workers, even the unskilled ones, and when they come they even bring their own toilet seats.

We Vietnamese do not get emotional for no reason. Look at what they have been doing down at the South China Sea. Do we still have to call them friends even after they killed and arrested our fishermen?

We are not interested in a war with China, but we still need to protest a bullying hegemony.

Yes my dear Vietnamese friends, please turn away all the China investments and factories. Our country will be more than happy to receive them! There are plenty of Chinese companies in Malaysia and Singapore, and we don't see them bringing the China workers here. On the contrary, it is some of our own home grown girlie bars and brothels that bring in the illegal China workers. The investors that open the production factories have been compliant. So it is OK if Vietnam turns them away. We are happy for you if you don't want them there. They are welcome into malaysia and singapore! Yeah you can say we are kiasu, but we are happy to be kiasu.

Both Vietnam & China have a point when they both claim the string of islets in the South China Sea because Vietrnam was an integral part of China for thousands of years in history. It was the white foreign devils like the French who got Vietnam separated from China when China was weak at the end of Xing Dynasty. Vietnam was called Annam which means 'the peaceful south' in Chinese. Vietnam adopted many Chinese cultural/social/ eating traits such as the Han Characters, Confucianist/Taoist religious rites, chopsticks, cuisines, respect of elders etc from China & managed to retain many such traits even right up to todate. Many Vietnamese ethnic minorities tend spill across the border into our Guang Xi Province sharing close family ties with each other. The most notable Vietnamese hero, Uncle Ho Chi Minh had had such a closed & comradely relationship with our Mao & his fellow revolutionaries that it was rumoured he may have been a Han Chinese afterall.

It is against this historically friendly background that Chinese are so saddened to read about these hawkish Vietnamese posters here who are so god-damn disrespectful & ungrateful for the helps Chinese extended to them during their courageous wars of liberation against their colonial French & American aggressors even though China was itself under economic stress during those difficult years. No wonder Chinese now call these ungrateful Vietnamese 'White -Eyed Wolf' if one cares to read the Chinese bloggersphere & call for another severe punishment in the form of a devastating limited border strike against them. Chinese remembered well how Mr Nong Duc Mong came begging for injection of emergency relief funds during the Vietnamese financial near-collapse in 2008 & how China helped them to tide over their economical near-meltdown. Chinese also remembered with tears & utmost hatred how some sections of chauvanistic/racist Vietnamese skinheads created the horrific & tragic boat-people exodus of ethnic Chinese-Vietnamese in the 1980s which resulted ih the demise/miseries of so many of them in the form of savaged rapes & murders on the high seas during their attempted escapes. All these blood-debts must somehow & someday be repaid by these particular group of Vietnamese (I must stress that it is unfair to punish all Vietnamese just because a small group committed these atrocities).

There are many lost territories which many Chinese would like a resurgent China to recover when it regains its full strength even though Chinese leaders would rather not talk it about openly & Vietnam happens to into one of these priorities. There is therefore nothing right or wrong about it for it is just pure hard geopolitics. Too bad Vietnam cannot just shift itself away geographically. No need to shout abuses against China but it may be wiser for Vietnamese policymakers to learn to accomodate China for history has shown that smaller states cannot escape their pathetically destined fates that they must somehow, even though how unwilling they may be, subordinate their wishes to their bigger & stronger neighbours. These cycles of peripherals breaking away when the central governance is weak & once again returning/attracted centrifugally to the central force when the centre regains its dynamism may just be an indisputable scientific phenomena. So, Vietnam, just learn to deal with it instead of fruitlessly groaning & complaining.

Yeah, Vietnam is a great and proud communist country that does not need anybody. It can live happily in its own coconut shell, well, just like the other proud communist country called North Korea. If Vietnam wants to kiss up to anybody, it will kiss the mightiest country on earth called the USA, even though USA was the one that bombed Vietnam back to the dark ages. Well, if the USA does not want to be kissed by Vietnam, there is still France. Many Vietnamese still ove things French, especially in the north, where baguettes and french coffee are still the rage. Who needs China? Not the Vietnamese. They still got the cuci tunnels to bury their heads into.

Vietnam is more and more dependent on China-It is terrible, it is not sure to make states like that. Vietnamese should see China as a partner both in economics and politics to resolve all issues than as enemy. China is a power- neighbor country, and we agree together that China will be more and more powerful soon be a world-leader in next 2-3 decades. By flexible approachs, China is putting their chinese and dollar everywhere in the world, from far Africa, Latin-america to even the USA . If making comparison, I think USA is now more dependent to China than Vietnam at least about finance field. Nothing to dispute that they are dependent on the world and the world is so.
Say again that both about geography and history, Vietnam has a tight relationship with china. Vietnam can't get away from China. But now it was't the period of colony, Vietnam is a independent country- Everything which Vietnam government and Vietnamese people must be based on Vietnam's rights. But by which ways? Vietnam can't solve issues of land-border, parracels and spratlys by military, Vietnam is not enough power, Vietnam can't be not trading with China, Vietnam is member of WTO and China is the key of economic partner. It is important to make all Vietnamese know what their government is doing with China, people will say exactly ''Yes'' or ''No'' they are good for Vietnam. People must be known what are they doing with china- It is never by the ways of secret deals or imprison people who is rising your different voice with communist party !

Has everybody forgotten that the Vietnamese persecuted the Chinese in Vietnam? Chasing them away to become "Boat People"? These Vietnamese Chinese boat people died by the thousands in the South China Sea. And then they languised in refugee camps for years in countries all over Asia.
That was the Vietnamese version of the "Final Solution" to get rid of Chinese in Vietnam.
So now, how can we ask the Vietnamese to kiss Chinese ass? Of course their ego would get in the way. They would rather starve than to kiss up to the Chinese!

We Chinese do not want the Vietnamese territory. If we wanted it, we could have invaded the whole of Vietnam right after the Americans left Vietnam! We could have swamped the whole of Vietnam, and populated the whole of Vietnam with hundreds of millions of Chinese population, and punished the Vietnamese for doing "ethnic cleansing" on the Chinese people. But we didn't. So please don't accuse China of trying to steal your land.

A ceremony was held on Jan. 31 in Me Linh district, Hanoi to mark the 1969th anniversary of the Two Trung Sisters’ Uprising.

Vice State President Nguyen in her opening speech mentioned the heroic spirit of the two Trung Sisters in their uprising against Chinese Han invaders.

On the sixth day of the second lunar month 19 centuries and 69 years ago, the Sisters Trung Trac and Trung Nhi, led a mass uprising against the Han invaders to wrest independence back to the Vietnamese nation after more than 200 years of Chinese rule.

Vietnamese, yes go on living in the past like Kong.
Daydream of those glorious days of the Trung Sisters and how you beat the Americans with your tunnels and suicide bombers.
Well, the rest of the world don't care. We don't give two hoots about Trung and Vietnam War.
We don't give a damn about Mao either.
You better care about today. How is Vietnam going to feed your 80 -100 million people or whatever number. You better care about who will impact your economy. All those media people's heroic writings will not fill up your rice bowl. Today big brother China is going to make a difference to your economy. The rest of ASEAN is fighting for a piece of the pie of China's investment dollars, a piece of the millions of Chinese tourist splurging their money in shopping their way through the region. Their students fill up a quarter of the 10% of the private universities in the region. And here we have a Vietnam still asleep, basking in its egos of its past "victories". Stupid Congs! Must be brain damage from the American bombing.

Vietnam doesn't seek apology from the French and American invaders because it won the war and kicked them out.

China is still seeking apology from Japan to soothe its ego and save face, because it didn't win that war and had to be rescued by the American army and its nuclear power.

Except for a small number of Vietnamese communists who love to kiss the Chinese asses, most Vietnamese both inside the country and living abroad see China as a serious threat to our struggle for a more prosperous and democratic Vietnam. Let's face it. China hates democratic values and has oppressed its own people for so long.

On the surface, China looks modern and relatively prosperous given its economic capacity and impressive growth rates in the past 20 years. But about 800 millions Chinese are dirt poor and left behind mercilessly. Instead of spending its surplus reserves - estimated to be more than $2 trillion - to take a better care of its poor and virtually-abandoned citizens by investing in health care, education and social services, China spends an enormous amount of that surplus on weapon systems to threaten the peace and stability in the region. No other country than Vietnam has to face with that military menace right on its northern border.

China has spent hundreds of millions of dollars - if not more - buying off top Vietnamese communists - past and present - who have been deplored by the Vietnamese people for selling out the country to China. Today, China has penetrated and exerted heavy influence in every single key area of Vietnam from national security, intelligence, to economics and business. So that's why China earned the title "The Mother of All Deceptions." It comes to you "as a friend", but it always seeks to kill or destroy you.

If China had provided significant loans to Vietnam government in 2008, it meant China bailed out a bunch of communist thugs in Hanoi whom the Vietnamese people can't wait for an opportunity to throw them out of power. It is no surprise that thugs make friends with thugs. They need one another, but not people who are freedom-loving.

China does not deserve to hold a permanent membership at the UN because China is a authoritarian country. Whenever you leave key decisions to a dictatorial regime, it's definitely dangerous.

@Movemountain: When you say "Vietnam was an integral part of China", would you accept the fact the "China was an integral part of Mongolia", and "was an integral part of Japan"? Will you ever understand that invasion is invasion, no matter how long does it last. China invaded Vietnam for thousand years, but were still kicked away because Vietnam is Vietnam, we are never a part of China!!!

The fact that we have many behaviors that many Chinese shares is this: The Han people came from the north of Truong Giang river and invaded the land of the Viet (Yue) people. They successfully took over many Viet people countries, e.g. those in Guangxi, Guangdong, Fujian and they (the Han people) adopted the traditions from those Viet people, who shared many things with Viet people in Vietnam. Of course in a thousand years of being invaded, we had to accept many things originally from the Han, too. But it's just a mutually influence of the culture. And thanks to the China's arrogance, our books, arts, ornaments,... were all taken to China to be burnt, too, esp. under the Ming dynasty overthere. So, we owe nothing from China so that you guys say we are disgrateful!!!

For thousand years of cruel invasion, helping Vietnam for some dozen years during the recent war does not really too much as you Chinese believe. Also, China didn't want Vietnam to be influenced by a Western-backed government, then helping Vietnam was also helping China themselves. The help was also a way to be more influential to Vietnam, and to weaken the USSR which China hated at that time. Having said that, while "helping" Vietnam, China enjoyed themselves our takling over islands. To be clear here, I accept that China did help Vietnam, but that was also for their own benefit.

For the more recent "helps" in which Mr. Nong Duc Manh was involved, you can ask him to love you but not Vietnamese people. We did not ask China for help, and some guys in the government do that does not mean we Vietnamese people do that. Again, I have to remind you that whenever you say help, China actually takes its benefit from its money: It had Mr. Nong Duc Manh to sign the memorandum concerning the mining of bauoxite in 2001 (no related to the 2008 economic downturn huh?), and now it brings so many unskilled workers to Vietnam and take over the jobs of many Vietnamese. Should those unemployed people be grateful to China? Should we people who had to use low-quality things produced by the Chinese workers be thankful to them? Again, go to ask the respect from Mr. Nong Duc manh or whoever gets benefit from those dirty "helps".

The way you say about the fate of small countries proves yourself a lot: You're just an arrogant guy who is proud of yourself much more than what you really are. Read the history! Think! You biggie were rubbish under the hand of the so small countries of Mongolia, Manchu, and Japan!!!

Vietnam had always been part of China for centuries. I think China should claim back Vietnam.

The Mongols came to China, then combined Mongolia and China to make it a bigger China. Yes they did not make it a bigger Mongolia! They loved things Chinese! Then came the Manchus later. Again they loved things Chinese, and added Manchuria into China, to make an even bigger China!
So that makes China unique in that the country expanded by been conquered. And the conquerors all made themselves Chinese by adopting the Chinese culture, including Chinese language, Chinese customs, Chinese dressing, and just about all things Chinese!

Vietnam may be one country in name, but it is still two countries.
The baguette eating French north, and the hamburger eating American south.
The southerners still think of their northern cousins as country bumkins. They southerners resent the communist rule of the north. If they can have it their way, Vietnam should be an unbridled capitalist country ala American style.

I find it interesting how Vietnamese are generally relaxed about the French and Americans but when China is mentioned they are truly bothered. Why? Because they know what 'friendship' with China means.

China is a country of fakeness. Fake dvd's, fake handbags, fake traditions, fake friendship, fake promises and fake face. This is why Face is so important in China, the ability to hide it is their way of making money. There is no difficulty in finding this out. Just live here for one month and you will see it. They think honesty is weakness. Anyone who thinks that a good character trait is weakness is an enemy of anything pure. But their evil is on their shoulder so they won't blind anyone with some magical words of peace and trust and friendship. The world's real trouble and master liar will come from Europe but the people won't know it when it comes. So China is just a blip on the world's radar screen.

You point out some good stories but they are not really correct. The Mongol conquered China and made the big country called Nguyen (I don't know how you say it in Chinese). And there was a time they had the policy of killing Han people of the popular family names. It was the country of the Mongol, ruled by the Mongol even though the majority of population was Han. It was a shame for the Han and the way people say the Mongol made a bigger China was just a way to hide the shame of being invaded by a much smaller country! Here I agree with Zheng's comments about China trying to keep face. Then came this Chu Nguyen Chuong guy and the Ming dynasty who kicked the Mogol away to get back the power to Han people. This is nothing different from what happened in Vietnam: The Han came, ruled Vietnam, then were kicked away. I don't know if you're the kind of Chinese people who keep claiming that Vietnam is/was a part of China, but if you are, then what would you think about the Mongolia claiming China as its part? Again, invasion does not mean ownership no matter how long it lasts.

It was a bit similar to the Manchu story even though not quite because the Han was never able to get rid of the Manchu - another shame. At that time the Han people were so angry to be ruled by the Manchu, but they failed to get back the administration.

And about Japan. Do you think the Japan made themselves Chinese???

There are certainly many patriotic but ignorant Vietnamese big-mouths here who would dream of being the invincible Rambos trying to bring about the made-believe but unrealisable scenario of a David (Vietnam) squashing a Goliath (China) right at the court of the latter's own turf. May be these idiotic Vietnamese are so drunk by their totally accidental past victories over their French & American adversaries that they naively think that they can somehow repeat those seemingly impossible feats again if they come to a face-off with China. They certainly have totally forgotten that their past victories were possible only because China not only provided material, logistical & other vital supports through the so-called Ho Chi Minh Trail from the Chinese border right up to under US bases in Saigon, it also served as a safe hinterland where North Vietnam's heavy war equipments like fighter aircrafts etc could be safely hidden & wounded soldiers seeked medical treatments etc without the worry of constant harassments of American aerial bombarments & ground raids.

Vietnam can & will be quickly defeated when it comes to a blow because, besides China's numerical superiority in almost all level of armaments, Vietnam will be subjected to an instantaneous all round lock-down & the PLA will first slice the nation into half at the narrowest strip of the Central Highland. There will be no safe heaven to hide in Laos & Cambodia as they would not dare to support Vietnam in time of such conflict. Thinking of guerrila warfare? Guess who is the real master in such warfare of deception? Know who wrote this classic 'Tsun Tse 's art of war'?

This stupid Tuan Nguyen thing even has the gal to give Chinese his twisted version of Chinese history by claiming that Guangxi, Guangdong & Fujian were once Vietnamese territories conquered & assimulated into the Chinese mainland. This really reminds Chinese of some weird but ridiculous South Koreans who claim that the Han Characters were invented by them & also that much of Northern China were once a part of the Korean Kingdom at their peak. These threatening postures of past subjects & the present agitations of the current unruly minorities like the Tibetans & Uighurs have certainly rung some warning bells as to why the majority Han Chinese should continue to treat these people well by allowing their separate cultures & languages to co-exist & not being forcefully assimulated into the mainstream. May be China should start acting more like the Caucasians like what they did to their weaker subjects/neighbours in instances like the decimations of Native Indians in North America, conquests of Mexican territories by America etc. May be it is high time for China to throw out the useless Confucianist virtue of loving thy enemy instead of adopting the Caucasian's of 'winner takes it all' doctrine. May be some people will never be tamed even in a thousand years!

Look around at this world & you will see the Anglo-Saxon people having same-race friendly nations like US, UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand forever sticking to each other in coalition to advance their interests in the UN & the worldwhile China stands alone with nasty neighbours poking insults & outrages all round its peripherals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyue

"After the first Emperor of China Qin Shi Huang united China by conquering all six kingdoms in 219 BC, he ordered his generals to conquer the regions of present-day Guangdong and Guangxi. The conquest was completed in 214 BC. A new administrative unit, Nanhai Commandery was formed to rule the area corresponding approximately to present-day Guangdong. Zhao Tuo was appointed to manage a Longchuan (龍川, a strategic place in the military. He asked Qin Shi Huang to send 500 thousand people from Central China to Nanhai to assimilate the culture of Central China and Yue.

After the death of Qin Shi Huang, a wave of anti-Qin riots swept across central China and the Qin Dynasty soon capitulated. In 208 BC, the head of Nanhai Commandery, Ren Xiao, appointed Zhao Tuo to succeed his position and suggested that Zhao establish a country in the south and take advantage of the mountainous boundary with northern China. Zhao soon reinforced the defences in the mountain passes north and replaced the Qin officials with his own followers. In 203 BC, he conquered another two commanderies, Guilin (桂林郡, approximately Guangxi) and Xiang "Elephant" (象郡, approximately Yunnan, north and central Vietnam), at the south of the mountain. The new kingdom of Nanyue was born, with Pānyú as the capital; Zhao Tuo declared himself Wu Wang (武王, lit. martial king) of Nanyue."

Please if you kow how to read, then read properly. What I claim is Guangxi, Guangdong & Fujian was the land of the Viet (Yue) people, NOT that they were a part of Vietnam. And that partly explains why Vietnam and China share many things in culture. Do you know that in China, Guangdong is called Yue? Do you know that the Zhuang in Guangxi are a branch of the Yue as well? The fact that those lands were assimilated into China only means that Vietnam has its own greater will of independence, and thus once was invaded by China but never a willful part of the biggie.

For the help that China did to Vietnam during the RECENT wars, I know and appreciate. But as I pointed out in a previous post, China got its own benefit from that help. Why do you want to repeat that all the times? Do you think few DOZEN years of help can heal the THOUSAND years of invasion, destruction, exploitation? Look at what Japan did to you in few dozen years, would you forget that soon?

Ok, then you talk about defeating Vietnam quickly. That's what China really is after all its lies about "talking in peace". To the Chinese, "peace" means you have to be more powerful than them (dare them to touch the US, or even Taiwan), or to give them something. Otherwise here they show: Defeat, 30-day plan to invade Vietnam, war fleet, and so on. And for what reason: Just because we Vietnamese hate them.

You see why we hate them!

People from the outside world looking in typically view China as a growing power with its impressive economic growth over the past 20 years. Visitors visiting Shanghai or Beijing were often overwhelmed by the enormously modernized and tall buildings and commercial landscape. But those "brick" skyscrapers or buildings do not correctly reflect true economic power in an economy or a country. One key national characteristic about China is that Chinese are always obsessed about face. So they will do whatever it takes to save face or impress others.

The more than $2 trillion in currency reserves that China currently holds comes at an enormous cost to the majority of Chinese workers, who participate in the export machine but receive rock-bottom wages under sub-standard working conditions. Think about millions of migration workers who toil long hours in China's factories to help bring those export dollars home. Think about millions of Chinese farmers who were forced to surrender their lands and farms to "make way" for new factories with no compensations.

Under a democratic system, these injustices would not occur, or at least the workers, whose labors are exploited by their own countrymen who then love to show off their wealth and success to the world, would have the right to form unions to protect their rights. Unfortunately, in a dictatorial China, the workers simply become preys to the blood-sucking communists and greedy businessmen. China today is no different than the West in the second half of 19th century when Karl Marx urged the working poor to violently overthrow the ruling capitalist class.

China has a long way to go to become a truly civilized nation. You need proof? The publishing of an article on one of the most popular websites in China calling for a 30-day massive invasion of Vietnam for no reason shows that China is a nasty bully with millions of thugs. From his grave, Hitler would applaud such a plan because China's ambition is not much different from that of Hitler.

Hitler would love to make friends with China. Hello Hitler China!

Small little peanut country trying to behave big. Yeah, Guangxi province should be enough to suffocate Vietnam. Vietnam did not defeat the USA. The war was fought with a lot of Chinese and Russian aid.

This little commie country of the Congs like to talk big. But they can't even feed their women and children. The Vietnamese women are being sold off to SIngapore to marry the the unmarketable men that Singaporean women have rejected. There are illegal Vietnamese migrants all over South East Asia, huddling in detention camps for entering those countries illegally. And yet these Vietnamese talk big about not wanting Chinese investments and all that crap, as if they have a lot of investors lining up to put money into Vietnam. Wake up, you blady Congs! You should thank China for investing in your pathetic country. There are plenty of other countries in Asia who welcome Chinese investment, and China does not need Vietnam. Stupid Congs.

Geylang, do you know that there are many dozen thousand illegal Chinese workers entered Vietnam to find their job and food? Do you know how many dozen million Chinese peasants are starving, do you know how the poor people in Sichuan were rescued in and after the earthquake? Your detention camps passed for decades, where do you live?

Let's make it clear here: We welcome investment, from any country (China included), under fair conditions for both sides. But we hate the bad things China attach to their money and that's it. And when they invest, they will get their money back, with benefit. That's business, they do not give away anything! If you really care, you'll know that China has been bringing aged technology, bad products, poisoned food,... Do you happen to know that their tradition has made "Chinese goods" means "low quality", "unreliable" in Vietnam? Do you know that in trading, Vietnam's money is going to China more than that of China going to Vietnam? If you don't know any of these things, your words are just non-sense.

Finally, your attitude and Palinpalin's really those hat are hated, not only in Vietnam but also in the world: Show a nice face with those you cannot bully, and look down at those who are weaker than you.

We welcome Chinese investment into Singapore. In fact, we welcomed ALL investment into Singapore. So if the Viets, the Malays, the Khmers, the Aussies etc don't want Chinese money, we are happy if China divert the money to Singapore. And the rest of you bargers, please don't give the Viets a hard time for rejecting Chinese investments. It is their right and privilege to choose whose money are parked in Vietnam. We Singaporeans are less choosy, as long as you have the money. But if you pokkai (broke), please don't come here.

In Singapore, as long as you pay your income tax in full and don't disturb the government, you can do anything. As long as prostitutes pay tax, they can hawk their services. As long as any tom, dick, or hairy bring in money into Singapore, they are automatically a permanent resident. Now the foreigners outnumber the Sinagporeans. The pokkai Singaporeans who cannot compete are migrating to white man's land. And to deflate the Singaporeans' ego, who always thought they are very smart, the China students, who are not even China's best, outscore the Singaporeans in the Singaporean universities.

Also, anyone who thinks that the Han always assimilate thier invaders misses the main reason. It is true to some extent but it isn't because of "culture" or brilliance or food, it is because of Han laziness. It spreads among the people who join together or takes control of them, it is a sickness.

"make money today by selling crap and cheating anyone, tomorrow is another day" is their motto.

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/r...09/870196/

24/09/2009 - When Vietnam submitted its report on the continental shelf to the United Nations Continental Shelf Committee, China argued the other side of the question. Its objection relied on ‘historic use’ arguments that seriously conflict with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) rules.

In its report, jointly submitted with Malaysia to the UN on May 7, 2009, Vietnam claimed a continental shelf extending over 200 nautical miles from its baselines in the southern part of the East Sea (also called the South China Sea), based on the UNCLOS rules.

The same day, China sent a diplomatic note to the UN Continental Shelf Committee objecting to Vietnam’s report on the same day. In that note, China for the first time released at the UN the now familiar ‘nine-dash line map’ asserting its claim to 80 percent of the East Sea.

The UNCLOS confirms the control by each coastal country of territorial waters extending to twelve nautical miles from its baselines (shores) and an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles from its baselines. Importantly, if a country’s continental shelf extends beyond 200 nautical miles, it can claim the extended continental shelf.

If the extended continental shelves of neighboring countries overlap, this area is to be divided equitably. Under the UNCLOS rules, five countries -- Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and China -- will share this sea area. However, not content with an equitable share, China claims around 80 percent of the East Sea and leaves a small coastal area for the remaining countries.

Every nations must try to exist & develop. It means that China will make influence to others by its ways- Make Chinese people & their money appear in everywhere in the world - It is the way that China exist & develop. If China don't do so, others ( USA, Russia...even Vietnam if Vietnam has enough resources) will do. So, Every countries must except that true.
The problem here is up to Vietnam, Vietnam will support cooperations with others if it is mutual benefit and prevent every operations that damages Vietnam's rights. All is up to Vietnam, the representative here is Vietnam government & communist party -It means Vietnam must be smart, assertive and all actions must be based on Vietnam's rights.
We (Vietnam) want to find out a friendship relation with China based on mutual benefit, BUT We will never compromise anything that Vietnam's rights like the Vietnam's sovereignty of spratly & paracels- Because It belongs to Vietnam both based on History & international laws.

China is developing by stupid way-way of imperialist like UK, France 200 years ago. Sweep off raw materials from poor countries: Africa, ASEAN (Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia, Myanmar), take Chinese there to capture lands... Especially, is creating influence to others by supporting dictatorial nations like Myanmar, North-Korea, Zimbabwe... make people poorer (But richer for dictators). Beside, saying about Chinese goods it means low quality, harmful foods. That are some reasons make almost people in the world cooperate with China ( for money)- But hates them.
Many people hope that once day China also will be divided into ten smaller countries- Not just six countries like 1000 years ago.

Vietnamese inferiority complex is certainly showing here. Why is this issue of Chinese investment in Vietnam such a big deal? Because the Viets don't like the fact that they are behind their northern neighbor in industry, technology and economics. I'm not a big fan of either country, but I know the history and reality, the fact that Vietnamese culture is based largely from Chinese culture (you Vietnamese all have Chinese surenames, remember?) and your economic future depend on China should keep our egos in check.
If you think trade and investment do not come with political conditions, you are fantastically naive; trade with everyone, China, Japan, US, UK, they will all push their our agendas onto you. Unless of course you Viets are rich enough to invest in other countries, but that's not going to happen for another few decades....

S'pore, colonial Hong Kong, defacto-independent Taiwan, in fact for that matter, all the S E Asian Chinese diaspora in Malaysia, Thailand, Myanmar, Indonesia, Vietnam etc, are the prides & jewels of Chinese worldwide including mainland China. They are fine examples of Chinese hard work, resilience, resourcefulness, perserverance, the incredible will power to excel/succeed no matter under how harsh the circumstances imposed from their host countries. Mainland Chinese are forever indepted to our overseas brethrens for their love & contributions during China's difficult war with Japan & they crucially provided the initial impectus for the mainland's eventual economical take-off. These are China's irreplaceable treassures/assets which we had tended to overlook due to our previous weakness, thus allowing them to be bullied & slaughtered by their useless & lazy native populations wherever they reside. Things are definitely changing now. Notice we now fly them away from harm's way during the Solomons/Vanuatu riotings & soon we will come with gunboats/aircraft carriers parked right at their nearest harbours to provide refuge/deterrence if these barbaric natives dare to commit pogroms again. These warnings are especially aimed at countries like Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia who have such atrocious & savaged records on their murderous treatments of our dear overseas brethrens. A big thank you to our brethrens from S'pore & other S E Asian countries who posted in support of the motherland here!

@Tuan Nguyen: we do not want to militarily invade Taiwan because we try not to engage in the tragic 'Chinese killing Chinese' which will definitely make our enemies like the US or Japan happy. Besides, what is the point of taking back a devastated Taiwan which need tonnes of money to rebuild on top of sowing hatred among the survivors of those killed. We would rather peacefully absorb them. This Kabiya thing is actually being invited by the pro independence DPP which will be cleansed off when the time comes. Chinese goods are low quality? That is because your importers are only willing to pay peanut. You pay more & you get Haier, Lenovo, or conversely those trash ABC brands if you want them cheap! Too bad Vietnam cannot afford BMWs, Benz so you have to settle for cheap Chinese Chery or Geely! Soon even these brands will be priced out of your pocket when we restructure & move up the value/quality chain.

@Hoang Huu: these skyscrapers, bird's nest, high-speed trains etc in Beijing, Shanghai are not 'fake' or for 'face value', they are real! Too bad Vietnam does not have any or simply cannot afford them! You must be eating sour grapes cursing over your own misfortune for having been born in poor Vietnam! Our 2.18 Trillion US $ foreign reserve are no paper money, you know. See how we scare the s**t out of the US by simply hinting that we shall reduce this holding or replace it with other currency as reserve currency. Just watch out one day, we shall urinate all these $$ onto your hungry mouths in Vietnam to bail you out of your financial misery comes another financial crisis! So, you like democracy? May be you can just sit tight, eat 'it' & hope that Vietnam shall one day match S'pore, HK, China economically.

Dan Viet: Who cares about your arguements about your legality in owning those islets? Does America care about the natives in Guam in putting their naval base there or the French care about the natives in French Polynesia when they exploded their nuclear tests? We say it is ours, you either vacate them peacefully or we shall dislodge you forcefully with gunboats when the time is ripe. The UN is noted for not being able to settle any international dispute more so we shall have your attempted resolution shot down right away with our UN veto.

@another Nguyen: Hey, S'pore may be small but it is a rather nastily hot chilli to much for Vietnam to munch! Besides, S'pore is the pride & inspiration of many overseas & mainland Chinese & China draws a lot of capitalist lessons from this tiny jewel in the Chinese crown. By the way, for your information, Geylang Serai is a notorious red-light district used to fill with cheap Malay, Indonesian prostitutes but it has lately been filled with young, mostly virgin Vietnamese chicks. Local Chinese S'poreans like them for they look exactly like their fiercely possessive Chinese wives minus their tiresome nags & it is an added convenience/blisl too not to be able to understand the Vietnamese language.

You hate Chinese? You may soon have to mind your language when Chinese start to buy up all your enterprises & making you work for us. You just can't bite at the spoon that feeds your mouth, can you?

The Vietnamese are like Nazis. When the lazy and backward Viets could not compete with the hardworking Vietnamese people of Chinese descent, they persecute them and ofrce hundreds of thousands of them into the South China Sea. These refugees were robbed, raped and killed by armed pirates. Whoever survived then suffered at refugee camps. Back in Vietnam, their homes were confiscated by the Nazi Viets. Now these Nazi Viets got to kowtow to the richer China neighbours. Of course these Nazis resent the Chinese. They cannot persecute these northern neighbours no matter how much they hate them. So they just curse and swear instead.

There is no such thing as "Chinese" in the area of a race. It is simply a group of people who were born in a nation state called China. The biggest of which today is called Han but even they are not a certain single pure group. Chinese always think that they are a race and they are not. They are a sub-group within a race, if you want to go by those terms.

@Movemoutain and his supporters: You're surely patriotic but two-faced.

You call US and Japan enemies? Japan to China is much less worse than China to Vietnam, you know? And without the US, China would be slaves to Japan forever. You call US and Japan enemies and you want Vietnam to be thankful to China! Mind your brain!

Again, you're arrogantly wrong when you think we can only buy the cheap and low quality Chinese goods. There is a calling to avoid the low-quality Chinese goods that makes China so worried that the your ambassador has to interfere to stop it. Yes this is another thing we hate from you. You go to your western provinces to see what brand your people use: BMW, Lexus, or what?

Read this thing that is written by a Chinese. Even though it's not complete, it can give you some insight into the facts.

http://blog.ifeng.com/article/2206238.html

Rep. your argument on Taiwan and our islands, you again show the two-faced policy of China. You dare not touch Taiwan because you're scared of the US, face it! You dare not bring the dispute to the international community because you know you're weak on the legal aspect! You cannot talk legally about the islands because you don't have any strong argument for that. You can just reply on your military strength as you say to Dan Viet. You can only forcefully do the illegal thing and that's all. Where is the peaceful face of China? The mask has gone!

@All Vietnamese guys: You guys shouldn't let the hatred blind yourselves, or you can be as bad as the Chinese here. China has got great economic achievements recently, that's undeniable. They are growing and increasing their influence with their money in the world, that's true. But they themselves have many big problems with Tibet, Xinjiang, job losses, corruption, international disrespect,... being the most important. We're developing well but we also have many problems to be solved. What you need to remember is the innately bad behavior of these people to our country. So do discuss with them, but be vigilant.

Zheng, When we talk about Chinese, we mean people who are born in China, or descendants of people born in China. And we are ALL over the world. So if you Congs give s**t to our brethren in China, when you Viets come to Singapore, Malaysia, USA, Australia, NZ, UK, etc, the Chinese in these countries will give you Congs a whack on the head. In the seventies and eighties, the refugee camps had people from Vietnam who were of Chinese descent. Now the camps are full of people from Vietnam who are pure bred Congs. So it goes to show how "great" Vietnam is!!! You morons can't get it right. That's why your women are all over Asia, working illegally in pubs and bars and brothels. And it is ALL YOUR FAULT. You Congs can't manage your country using your head. Instead your brain is between your legs. That is why you don't know how to benefit from China's economic rise, even though China is next door to you. Yet countries so far away like Malaysia, Singapore, Australia etc know how to make money by working with China. And don't talk bad about Chinese products. The world famous brands of products like HP, Dell, Apple, Nokia, Toshiba, Sony end tons of others, have most of their products made in China for export all over the world. You Congs must have been buying products made in back street alleys because you only want to pay peanuts. Anyway you Congs don't even know how to make anything except rice noodles.

From http://blog.ifeng.com/article/2206238.html

其次，中国人优越高傲的心态，造成了越
南人对中国的不友好。国人自认为中国实
力强于越南，大批的中国人去到越南后，对
越南人缺乏应有的亲和态度和谦卑的为人.

The guy who wrote these lines are much more knowledgeable than the arrogant pro-China here who prove what the guy thinks is true.

@Vietnamese: There are good Chinese as well as bad Vietnamese. Again, be in full possession.

Vietnam came to China pleading for money to bail out its economy. Being a good neighbour, China bailed out Vietnam with a big wad of cash, by the billions of dollars. Money that could have been used for its own citizens. And yet the damn Viets do not appreciate it. China should have let the Viet economy collapse. Let them send waves of Viets fleeing by boats to countries all over Asia. Except this time it won't be the Vietnamese Chinese that were persecuted by the Congs to leave China. This time it would be the Cong Vietnamese. Let them experience what it is like to sail through the South China Sea. Let them have a taste of what a monsoon storm in the middle of an ocean is like, what pirates are like, what rapists are like, what human traffickers are like, what refugee camps are like. Yes, you blady Viet Congs did that to the Vietnamese Chinese in the seventies and eighties. You cruel blady viet Congs. Frankly I think China should let Vietnam's economy collapse instead of helping this ungrateful country that used to persecute the Chinese.

Obama, Sarkozy, Putin, Saudi Sheikhs,..all queing up, bags of cash in hand, trying to invest in Vietnam, trying to make use of Vietnamese talent for running their corporations' factories. But haha , that is not happening. It was only a Viet's wet dream. So you Viets wake up. Your country human resource has no skill, no technology, no marketable language skill, no management talent, no production talent (except producing babies), no nothing. You have no exports that are in high demand by the rest of the world. So you Viets should jolly well be nice to China, who for some strange reason, still have a heart to lend you some money to bail you out of your financial crisis. Next time if you cannot be grateful, please don't take the money anymore.

China has been ruled by the communist gangsters who in the past committed atrocities against Vietnam. In the 1979 short but bloody war with Vietnam, communist China leveled the entire six provinces in northern Vietnam through relentless and indiscriminate artillery and armored attacks. In many instances, Chinese soldiers committed war crimes by cutting women and young children into pieces and throwing the victims down the wells. Deng, the Chinese leader then, was a blood-thirsty butcher just like Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Today, China continues to glorify Deng, who was a war criminal.

In addition, China nurtured, financed, supported and armed the evil Khmer Rouge in the 1970s that resulted in the murders of over 1.5 million Cambodians out of a population of 4 millions. China had an "active hand" in the deaths of millions of innocent Cambodians. China should have been prosecuted and brought to justice for its crimes against humanity. Most history books appear not to mention these facts and there is no doubt China has worked its tails off to erase these dark pages from history. But the fact is China is a violent nation hell bent on dominating the world and treating small nations like crap.

The economic success, which comes at the expense of millions of poor Chinese, does not change the true image about China. Anyone in their right mind should ask the question why the Vietnamese hate the Chinese so much. The reason is - and we fully know - that China never wants Vietnam to prosper or achieve true independence as a nation. Ho Chi Minh made a strategic mistake by choosing China his strategic ally. China has always viewed Vietnam as an enemy.

The Vietnamese people would love to see China leave our country alone. We do not need dirty, exploited dollars from China to save our economy. Those dollars only rescue the communist gangsters who stupidly kiss the Chinese butts while oppressing their own citizens. By the way, even poor people in Vietnam are afraid of using products Made in China. China cannot produce a well-functioning motorcycle, let alone bragging about "technological advances". Are you talking about "stealing" technological advances?

If China does not stop stealing our lands and sea territories, we will intensity efforts to boycott Made in China products all over the world. Remember, there are over 3 million Vietnamese living in developed countries where they have good relationships with their adopted countries. We can definitely make China look real bad in the eyes of the world.

Hey Hitler China, we Vietnamese cannot take it anymore.

Most of the oversea "vietnamese" were once the boat people driven out by Vietnemese Congs, just for being ethnic Chinese Vietnamese. I don't think they love you Congs very much.

Hoang Huu & other overseas Vietnamese who bad-mouthed here must have been those exiled dissidents falling foul with the Vietnamese authority much like our own so-called pro democracy activists, Falungong practitioners, Tibet/Uighur/Taiwan independence agitators etc . All these people share an unfortunate common denominator~they were all paid by the CIA, hated by their own people back home & forever barred from stepping onto their land of birth. We thoroughly feel sorry for you guys for your pathetic fates but you have to take resposibility for not having the foresight for choosing the wrong side of history. One thing is for sure~you don't represent the majority opinion in Vietnam, or worse still, you may be totally out of touch with your people in Vietnam due to your long absence. Just like in any country, most grass-root laymen on the streets worry more about their bread & butter than those highly illusive political ideologies, must less about international strategic relation. Go enjoy your 1st world living standard overseas stay in your beloved so-called developed-country nannies rather than endlessly criticising your more pragmatic communist leadership back home who happens to have a higher perspective to be able to grasp the bigger picture to want to have good relation with their giant neighbour. Don't boast about your tiny 3 million overseas Vietnamese for this figure is really chicken feed when compared to the number of our overseas compatriots, much the same way as boasting about your 80 over million population as opposed to our 1300 million people. You should be thankful that China is non democratic & ruled by a benevolent leadership like Hu & Wen who consistently ignored the overwhelming grass-root clamour for tougher action against Vietnam over the border dispute issues. A lot of Chinese would have wished for Vietnam to be reabsorbed as a province of China but there are wiser minds who resisted this temptation. Just be wared that this frame of mind may change if you provoke us into believing that your stirrings/posturings may have degenerated into an unbearable potential threat to our border stability. Don't count on the helps from US, Russia, Japan or India for they are so far away while we are right next to you. Should there be a conflict, you will suffer the same fate of Georgia for there will not be another miracle like Tien Bien Fu or the Fall of Saigon because of your 3 insurmountable disadvantages:military inferiority, geographical proximity & realively small size. So, Vietnam better choose to be our pal rather than foe. Small issues can be negotiated in a give-&-take spirit, but bigger issues like national sovereignty & strategic survival shall not be non negotiable.

The Viets better not let itself be used by the Americans into becoming an irritant for China. China's army can rolled over the whole Vietnam within one week. Better be China's friend than being an enemy. The USA is too busy fighting the suicide bombers in Afghan and Pakistan and won't be bothered helping Vietnam, except to offer verbal "moral support". Besides, the USA would prefer to keep good relations with China at the expense of Vietnam. Just look at Georgia. After saying a few words of support, the USA has quickly patched up with Russia. Same thing will befall Vietnam if it becomes trigger happy. Vietnam is just a little red dot compared to China. Don't think your cuci tunnels will save you.

India thought China was a friend, but China attacked in 1962.
Vietnam thought China was a friend, but China attacked in 1979, ordered by Deng.

Chinese students thought two-faced Deng was a friend who supported reforms, but he ordered the army to attack them in Tiananmen Square.

Actually China doesn't care too much about Vietnam, and has all about forgotten about Vietnam. Until Vietnam came to China pleading for financial assistance to bail it out of the recent world financial crisis. China was kind enough to lend Vietnam some money and also invested some money to help stimulate the Vietnamese economy. Vietnam's favorite poster boy the USA could not care less about Vietnam. But instead of thanking China, these nasty ungrateful viet congs are criticizing China. Such an ungrateful bunch of people.

China has often bragged about its economic success and thought they have become superpower. They've got a long way to go. China often points to its massive currency reserve of over $2 trillion as a sign of its success. China has long manipulated exchange rates to keep its Yuan low against other key currencies to gain an unfair advantage for its products on world markets. The Chinese government has also exploited its own citizens by keeping the value of the Yuan artificially low to "save" low-paying jobs.

If China did not intervene to control exchange rate, the value of the Yuan would rise naturally as China continued to amass trade surplus. But manipulating the exchange rate has an adverse impact on millions of Chines workers, whose standard of living would not be increasing due to the currency policy. So one would ask why the Chinese government did this? They did this and continue to do this because it's an authoritarian government. So the ordinary Chinese have no voice in how national policies should be carried out. The current political system only benefits a tiny ruling class, at the expense of hundreds of millions of Chinese. The surplus or currency reserve should have gone to the millions of Chinese workers to improve their standards of living.

It has been a disservice to its citizens that China has spent hundreds of billions of dollars purchasing US Treasury bonds at extremely low interest rates while millions of Chinese are starving. Americans would love to see China curtail its purchases because doing so would lower trade surplus between the two countries while hundreds of thousands of jobs in China would be lost due to less consumption of China-made products in the US. We know what "cards" you hold in your hands and you always thought you are smart.

There is no magic about China's economic success. The success comes at the expense of hundreds of millions of Chinese workers who are robbed of their fruits of labor due to the government's manipulative policies. China is a hotbed of dictatorship the world has ever seen. When you rob hundreds of millions of people, of course you will have a "gigantic robbed wealth" to show off to the world. But at the end of the day, you are still robbers.

China has been known as a stingy nation obsessed about money. They rarely do charity work and now they are talking about Vietnamese being ungrateful to them. You may want to go to the guys who received your dirty money, not Vietnamese in general. You guys Chinese should be grateful to the Americans for buying your products so your people can have low-paying jobs. Does that make sense to you?

Some people are so naive to think that only China manipulates its currency. Even the hypocrite USA manipulates its currency via money supply and interest rate. Even Vietnam does that by restricting its currency from being traded. In fact, in Vietnam it is so ridiculous. The currency value is so low that if the Vietnam dong is traded, it will collapse overnight. Many of the shops in Vietnam prefer to accept foreign currency if possible. And a trip to the bank offers an amazing sight. The value of the dong is so very low that customers come to the bank with huge bags of cash to deposit. I guess bank robberies will be very difficult as the poor robbers would need a fork lift to carry the cash. So the Vietnamese should be the last people on earth to comment on how other countries manage their currencies. Go fix your own currency first!!! But maybe you all prefer to be "millionaires" and "billionaires" since the currency is so low that you are all millionaire and billionaires. Hahaha!

DECLARATION OF CONCERNED VIETNAMESE WORLDWIDE REGARDING CHINA’S CURRENT QUIET INVASION OF VIETNAM

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/save-vietnam.html

Big Hu, my point is that Chinese like to think of themselves as a race. They are not a race. And to say Vietnamese can only make rice noodles the exact same thing can be said for modern Chinese. All of the companies you mentioned are not Chinese so just because they save a few dollars by using your labor to work doesn't mean Chinese invented those products. Chinese development over the past 20 years totally depended on these companies. It had nothing to do with Chinese know-how. China can grow all it wants but the world will find out what you are on the inside and they will not like it. Chinese foundation is built on sand. Just like her new modern buildings that seem to fall over.

Zheng, obviously you are still asleep and do not know what is going on in China. You obviously do not know that China has already progressed beyond just being as assembly plane for foreign firms (which is where Vietnam is still at today). You obviously do not know that many foreign companies now use Chinese engineers to design for them as well, besides just manufacturing them. The technical term is Original Design Manufacturer (ODM), which is one step further than OEM. An ODM shows the customer his range of designs, then negotiate on price , quantity , warranty etc, then make them for the customers and put the customer's brand on the product. Even people like HP, Dell, Toshiba and motor parts going to USA and Europe contain ODM products from China. China can already put a man into orbit. So you are really very ignorant of how much China has progressed. True that they are still behind the USA in technology, but China is narrowing the gap very fast. So Vietnam, instead of bearing grudges with its northern neighbour out of historical reasons, and maybe racist reasons as well, should put history behind, and forge friendly relations with China. It should figure out more ways to sell things to China to reverse the trade imbalance. It could encourage Chinese tourists to visit Vietnam. South East Asian countries like Malaysia and Singapore are reaping a lot of tourists dollars from China, as well as having swamps of China students studying in their countries. All these industries are money spinners. But from the Vietnamese comments on this blog, it is very obvious that Vietnamese use their emotions more than they use their brains. A few decades ago, Malaysian government bar malaysians from visiting China. Today it is the best of friends. Same too for Singapore, Indonesia etc. Even China itself has changed from a communist country to a capitalist country. It is communist only in name. You cannot live in the past. It is to your disadvantage. EVen if only 1% of Shanghai and Beijing people come to visit as tourists, the hotels, your agencies, bus companies, restaurants, souvenir traders, tour giuides, taxi drivers, etc in Vietnam would all be booming in business due to the large numbers. Too bad for Vietnam that it does not know how to capture this business. But your ASEAN neighbours are happily reaping business in these area.

I agree with Huhuhu that Vietnamese need to use their energy positively when engaging China, its biggest neighbour. Instead of crying that China has a trade surplus vs Vietnam, the Vietnamese should try to figure out how to earn money from the Chinese. This is what free trade is all about. There are millions of Chinese going oversea as tourists and students every year. And they are prolific shoppers compared to the western tourists. SIngapore and Malaysia have learnt how to tapp this business. China too is a big importer of food stuff. Again Vietnam needs to learn how to market their goods to Chinese. People like Hoang Hu use their energy negatively to bitch and complain about China, but have not contributed any ideas on how to market Vietnamese goods and services to China. If you sit on your bujms bitching, nobody is going to buy your stuff. All businesses need hard work to succeed. So people like Hoang Hu, get off your bums and go figure out how to help your country to make money out of your big neighbour instead of sulking and bitching. If your government is not doing a good job, blame yourself. Why don't people like you get into your Vietnamese government and contribute towards your country. If you are so clever, then contribute your brains to your government by being part of it. Change your government from inside if you cannot change it from outside. China will continue to develop and prosper. You can either sail along with it, or get swept aside.

hi all. I am from Vietnam, my English is limited so please bear with me. I appreciate you all here who pay some thought to the issue of Vietnam, but I just want to let you and the rest of the world know that what the media, and most of you, call "the Vietnamese" is not the people who live in the country. Rather it should be referred to the "Communist Government, and the Communist Party behind it" in Vietnam. All the decisions have been and still are made by this dictator party and goverment, not by its people. The whole vietnamese people are mouth zipped by this inhuman regime. If we have a choice to fix our lives, the first thing we want to do is to dump this stupid political regime which does not know how to serve its people yet always speaks in the name of its PEOPLE, like does any other communist government. What we, the people, are trying hard to do now is not trade with China or any thing like that, but to bring DECRACRACY and FREEDOM into the country. Believe us, only the communist parties and communist governments are stupid, but we, the PEOPLE, are not . We just do not have a chance to live our lives yet. Live in a dictator country you will know how hard it is. The moment you speak out what is really in your mind, you are in jail and your beloved ones suffer. It is realy hard but we, the Vietnamese people are trying relentlessly to get rid of the communism. Imagine you have to run a country without the support of your people !. You will have to try all evil means to keep it going. Yet the more the communist government tries the worse it gets. The people are looking forward to seeing the final day of this dark period. I hope one day you will know of a different Vietnam, a communist free country. Then I bet that the country will develope to become like South Korea or Japan , but not China! These sh** going on now between Vietnam and China are just political games between the two communist governments, nothing about their PEOPLE. Please be conscious of this fact in your arguements, and stop condemning the Vietnamese people or Chinese people . Thank you. God bless us all.

Vietnam needs a regime change!

As long as the current Vietnamese communist regime is still in power, there is nothing that one can do about territorial or trade dispute.

The current Vietnamese communist government owes its existence to China's support during the French and America's Wars. China supplied weapons, ammunitions, food, shelters, training, etc. to HCM and his North Vietnam Army.

What we see right now is a payback to big brother who has helped the current communist regime came into power.

In order for the Vietnamese as a people and Vietnam as a country to be able to respond to China's unlawful and illegal plan of expanding land and sea territories and use Vietnam as a dumping ground for its unwanted goods in any meaningful way, the current Vietnamese communist government must go. It is not elected by the Vietnamese people but rather by a handful of communist officials who believe in dictatorship. It is not for the people but rather for a small group of corrupted communist officials. And it is not of the Vietnamese people.

By removing the Vietnamese communist government from power and organizing a free election in which qualified candidates, who represent the voices, the faces, and the aspirations of the 86 millions Vietnamese are elected, only then one can unite the country and its people against the red China in a new century!

Ok Voetnam has got a s**t government whose minds are still trapped in Leninism and Maoism. So go fix your country and communist government. But don't blame others. And don't blame China. And by the way, China is not a communist country anymore, but a capitalist country, although controlled by a dictatorship who still call themselves a communist party, but only in name. But that is besides the point. The point is really yourself. There are plenty of democratic and non-democratic countries trading with China. In all trading, each country always take care of itself. So if Vietnam can't hack it in trading with China, just blame yourself. It just means you are bad in commerce. If that is your commercial skill, you will lose to other countries too, not just China. So sorry to be so direct and cold, but you need to wake up. So no point telling you sweet things. Get up on your feet and change Vietnam. When you point one accusing finger at China, you have 4 fingers pointing at yourself.

The reason that the Vietnamese communists are still in power is because communist China has supported and nurtured them over the years - even today - with specific tactics on how to suppress the aspirations of the Vietnamese people. China is capitalist when it comes to trading with the world but communist and authoritarian at its core when dealing with its own citizen or treating Vietnam.

Look at how China imprisons its own citizens by blocking a free flow of information on the Internet. The Chinese regime thought that Han people are dumb so they need to be told what to read or what not to read. That's why there has been a "national firewall" in place to imprison the Chinese.

China is also an expert in how to terrorize its citizens to maintain power. They then transfer these terrorist tactics to the Vietnamese communists who apply to their people according to instructions from their bosses in Beijing. So to the average Vietnamese, China is a dark force that has held back Vietnam. We hope there will be a "karma" that will punish China for its crimes against Vietnam for so long. That's why the Vietnamese have nothing but disdain and disrespect for the Hans.

Winners look at themselves to see how to improve and win. Losers keep giving excuses and blaming others.

We as Vietnamese demand the following from China and its people:

1. Stop illegally grabbing our land and sea territories that have been part of Vietnam for hundreds of years;
2. Stop terrorizing and attacking our fishermen in the territory waters that legally belong to Vietnam;
3. Stop bribing top Vietnamese communists so they endorse policies to the benefits of China. This has a detrimental effect of creating so much hatred towards the Chinese;
4. Stop terrorizing the Vietnamese by supporting a barbaric government in Hanoi that has suppressed our aspirations for a free and prosperous Vietnam for so long;
5. Stop dumping poisoned food stuffs and defect products into Vietnam with an intent to destroy Vietnam's economic competitiveness. Chinese authorities allow an army of smugglers transport hundreds of tonnes of manufacturing goods cross the border with Vietnam everyday.

In summary, China is a power that will never have the respect of the world unless it starts playing by the rules and be a responsible power. In the eyes of most Vietnamese, China has been a dangerous power the world needs to pay attention. It has used its economic power to manipulate the world to its advantage. The world should boycott China-made products unless it changes its behavior.

Hi..... uhmmm...... I'm just a student here in Vietnam and I am actually in a terror. Yes, I know what is wrong with Vietnam, I know why it can't develop and all that kind of stuff but then still, China has been acting quite strangely these days.............. I don't know what wil happen, I'm afraid of the future to come. I'm proud to be a Vietnamese but yet, ashamed of the image when people think about a Vietnamese - Filthy Thieves who can't think( A HUGE Appologies to all of you who don't think of us this way ). I'm neither here to argue nor to choose a side. I just want to say that this matter MUST be solved DIPLOMATICALLY.
And yes, I agree Vietnam's government is corrupted, really corrupted. There is no so called "Freedom" anymore, this is not a country of the PEOPLE, beacuse of the People and for the People anymore. This system is corrupted...........

So yeah.............. that's all I can say for now
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With recent violences against Bac Nha Temple in Lam Dong Province, it has shown that the Vietnamese communist regime will not hesitate to use forces to suppress anything including Buddhist monks who, from the communist goverment's view, have the potential of becoming a force against the government.

It's really a shame that the Vietnamese communist government has not followed its own constitutional law which allows religious freedom and free press. The bloody violence against the Buddhist monks happened after the blood-thirsty, dictatorship government has crushed Catholic followers in Tam Toa a few months ago.

As we have seen again and again, Vietnamese communist party is a group of hypocrites and mobsters. As someone has already mentioned earlier in the Comments, the Vietnamese people need to rise up against the dictatorship regime and remove it from power.

Only when the Vietnamese communist regime is gone, there will be a new dawn in Vietnamese history in which democracy, freedom, and prospertiy can truly flourish.

Hi All.

Tuan Nguyen is the only commentator worth reading because he provides fair and sound analysis.

Tuan you currently live in Viet Nam? Maybe we can go get some coffee when I visit the country in a few months.

Hey Tuan,

You seem like an educated person who is current with Vietnamese history and politics. These are also subjects of my interest. If you have other sources or links about these subjects, please share them with me.

Thanks,
Leon

All,

According to a recently disclosed information about how Vietnam plans to control the Internet from its people, the number of online police has been increased from 700 to 2100.

These online cops are charged with monitoring internal websites, blogs, and the Internet for "reactionary" content, pretending to be an online user and reply to comments that seem to be counter to or harmful to the regime's propaganda, alerting local police to arrest online users whose IP addresses are known, or even lauching virus attack at "reactionary" Internet users and websites.

Tuan Nguyen, watch out for a potential trap waiting for you.

A must read article for those who care about the survival of Viet Nam.

http://www.vietcatholic.net/News/Clients/ReadArticle.aspx?ID=72733

RIP Ngo Dinh Nhu

The bauxite extraction project in Vietnam's Central Highlands is an opportunity for the Chinese to exploit and legally send thousands of Undercover Chinese Soldiers into the highland. They can transport weapons, intelligence, spy instruments, and build military posts on and underground in the heart of the Central Highland.

Ngo Dinh Nhu predicted: After the collapse of South Viet Nam, Chinese colonization of Viet Nam is just a matter of time.

this article sounds like one giant cia psyops

why do i get the feeling that all the people claiming to be either vietnamese, or Chinese, are neither.