| What the Thai coup was really about |
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| Written by Paul Handley | |
| Monday, 06 November 2006 | |
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Who gets the kingdom’s sceptre when Bhumibol leaves the stage?
As with US President George W. Bush and the Iraq invasion, slowly the justifications for the putsch are shedding away, showing that the military’s righteous claims of a determination to eliminate corruption and right the constitution are empty: when you have those motivations, you have ideas on how you will go about it.
In the absence of a son -- and ‘absence’ can give way to multiple interpretations -- it can go to a daughter of the king. Recent constitutions have also allowed that the king can both make his own decision whatever the law, and he can also unilaterally change the 1924 law, with the approval of the privy council. (The post-coup interim constitution doesn’t address succession, leaving it, ironically, to “constitutional practice”.)
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written by Chieng , August 07, 2009
What about he is the richest king in the world - $38billion
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written by SickofPAD , December 03, 2008
The Thai society has been brain-washed by the education system here where they all think that the monarchy is above everybody else and they are god-like. Most people know what is going on and who is behind the PAD but they are afraid of speaking out against the monarchy. It will take time before people will start speaking out against the monarchy but at the same time we need to start educating people about the truth, the truth about the monarchy and how we need to be able to talk about them openly.
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The last time an the British Monarchy tried to rule in this way the king was beheaded!
written by Jonny Wong , August 30, 2008
The Divine right of Kings was removed by a Civil War in England over the right of Parliament and therefore the People to govern!! Shold the Thai Royalists not have learned from this? MONARCHY and their HANGERS ON can not rule! Parliament and the rule of law has to come first. If the Monarchist Elite will not allow the ELECTED institutions to govern then it is the Roayl Elite who must be removed and charged with treason?
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Thailand is screwed if the Prince gets into power
written by Concerned Falang , March 29, 2008
The King's son, Prince Vajiralongkorn, is disliked by most Thais. If he comes into power when the King dies, Thailand will be a very different place. Many Westerners will leave and Thailand's economy will suffer. I think the author is correct in part about the military's actions to help Princess Sirindhorn become Queen. The Prince as new King would be a disaster for Thailand and the military knows this.
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Can\'t see the forest for the trees
written by Richy Rich , November 14, 2007
Forget the military-royal alliance for a minute. And bring this down to it's simplest form. This was about getting rid of populism-politics. Sure Thaksin exploited that for all it was worth..but it was the "populist" part of things that frightened the 'establishment' - and it is the Establishment (the rich families in Thailand - not all of whom are tied to the military remember) that were scared silly by the fact that one-person-one-vote could strip them of their own corrupt little feifdoms..Thaksin was taking that away from them (for his own buddies of course), and that meant that some 50,000 baht per month bureaucrat wasn't going to be able to pass on contracts to his sister-in-law's cousin anymore. How would he pay to fuel his E class Benz? The PAD demonstrators, military and the Establishment had one big thing in common - Populism in a country of poor people had to be destroyed - for how long? Who knows..
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New constitution confirms crown prince as successor
written by Peter Kauffner , October 03, 2007
The new constitution confirms Prince Vajiralongkorn position as successor, so the Handly's idea he might be replaced by Princess Sirindorn was clearly wrong. General Sondhi's reluctance to retire (as he is legally required to do) makes it clear that the coup was at least partly in support of his personal ambitions. When Thaksin was in power, I thought there was too much power concentrated in one person. But if he could be ousted so easily, he obviously wasn't so powerful after all. The Thai authorities seem obsessed with making sure Thais see only the most youthful images of the king, so I suspect his health problems are more serious than have been reported. The king's death would pave the way for a Thaksin comeback. That will blow away the recently approved constitution like a leaf in the wind.
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Latest View From Thai Friend
written by Arthur Borges , August 24, 2007
The new constitution is far from perfect but still way better than Thaksin. I have to agree: he has some 20 *highly industrious* country "estates" up north.
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written by panmoria , August 16, 2007
i respect this site for its excellent reporting, but this article is just so empty and bland - the author obviously has no idea of what was truly going on in thailand.
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there was an outsanding abuse of power - down to the most basic level of society. my son's school once got raided by police - just because the owner was a prominent face in nationTV and lambasted thaksin every night. please dont allow such an author another piece to be written. the whole angle with the crown is a consequence, not the reason. report abuse
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written by Paul Thong , August 08, 2007
I am quite sure that there would be something serious after the king dies as most of Thais at present know what all elites have been doing in this country.They control the country and do not care much for the poor so it is not sor far from now the word "Thai Revolution" will be remembered in the world histry.
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written by Surrealist , July 28, 2007
Our Communist Government is giving birth of perfect Democracy by convincing us to accept their constitution. "Best constitution ever" (that's what they claimed) Amazing Thailand!!
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DICTATORSHIP BRINGS DEMOCRACY! 5555 report abuse
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written by Vichai N , July 27, 2007
In short . . reading between Paul Handley's lines, Thaksin was dividing the Kingdom, was dividing the monarchy, was dividing the military establishment, was dividing . . . . was Machiavelian dividing every which way here and there . . . to perpetuate the Shinawatra dynasty and damn the consequences.
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Coup - a political setback for Thailand
written by observer8 , July 11, 2007
This is a traditional practice of a ruler, getting rid of powerful people, who could threaten his transfer of power to his successor.
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In this internet age, who is going to accept that the King is decendent of Gods, or that sort of rubbish. Instead, simply another human being. This is never about Thaksin's corruption. Instead, if Thaksin is not stopped, he might further limit the Palace's powers just like what Tun Mahathir had done to Malaysian Sultans. Similarly, after Thaksin is gone, others like Prem will have to go to, as not to interfere with the new appointed King's decision makings in the future. The new King will have the opportunity to appoint his own aides who would be loyal to him. This is... politics. report abuse
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written by lin , May 31, 2007
i understand thais for their culture, but for me, absolute monarchy and communist are brainwash. it's pain in the ass! let's be civilized and free yourself to the wide world of intellectual!
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In short
written by Arthur Borges , May 07, 2007
Had ex-P.M. Thaksin managed to secure further appointment for "his" officers, it would have left H.M. the King under virtual house arrest. The king enjoys real popularity -- it would be more accurate to say he is revered and you can see it by the number of people wearing yellow shirts every Monday in anticipation of the king's birthday December 5th this year. Furthermore, when news broke of the ex-P.M.'s tax-dodging sell-off of his telecoms firm to a foreign firm, most Thais lost respect for him. The current government has messed up but the feedback I get from Thai friends is that it remains a better deal than the last one.
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Blind
written by Frank G Anderson , March 24, 2007
24 March 2007
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Not to worry about trying to fool anyone - those who believe Thaksin's election victories were the result of a democratic process are blind in the extreme. report abuse
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RE: SiaO
written by I'm Thais , November 11, 2006
It doesn't matter, which side Thai's King stand for.
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The spotlight should point directly to Gen.Prem, who did everything for the good faith of King. Sometime(Most) King have to follow the advisor plans. report abuse
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Good article
written by I'm Thais , November 10, 2006
Prem must on the King side for sure! What he has done is for the Royal family itself. As the writer mension that King is very old, it's so dangerous for the Chakri Dynasty to transfer the throne to the next King without preparing.
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In my opinion, some details may true or fault, but the whole meaning of this story is very true. Thai people know very well, but most just can't think or express, it's all about Thai tradition and culture. The point that I only disagree is King's daughter, which I believe she doesn't have any role or part or relate to this incident. Not about she has more power and accepttance from Thais than her brother. Thais know it could not be real because the the long tradition that next King must be the son of King(Tradition, not current law) It's all about King throne transferation. Prem come out to ensure the survival of Chakri Dynasty. Because some of anti-royalist have been very active since the previus prime minister(Thaksin) was in power. Thais hear a lot of negative story of King's only son, and many people hate(Or disrespect) this guy. So when King is getting older and older, millitary has to come out to ensure the surviving of the Chakri Dynasty... I give this writer 8-9 point out of ten. report abuse
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King\'s Stance
written by SiaO , November 10, 2006
Can anyone translate this speech of the king? It will help explain the king's stance toward the coup.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJHbaHNAelM report abuse
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Prem sitting on what side?
written by saraburian , November 09, 2006
So on what side is Prem on? If we believe what is Prem after is ultimately to maintain the status quo and continuity of the monarch, he would be sitting on the fence and always have the other as the back-up plan for his first choice (who?).
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After the coup, I noticed that the crown prince has been featured much more prominently on the palace-directed media - the flood, etc. Most notably the opening ceremony of the NLA first session. report abuse
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Some I agee
written by king2 , November 08, 2006
Some part are true, but some parts may not correct.
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Prem is the head advisor for the King, and what he acts, sometime, doesn't need King approval. King is mean the power, and Prem Millitary couldn't survive without King's Power. Therefore, they will do what ever they could to protect/improve the King power. No King No Power No Money. report abuse
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Well-written but ..
written by SiaO , November 08, 2006
It still did not clear to a lot of Thaksin supporters that the King has fully approaved this coup as he was talking about the democratic election previously. The JUNTA's hesitation to display the sound of the KING's speech to Gen.Sonthi and his crew on the night of the coup is still a question to Pro-Thaksin people. They believe that the KING had admonished the coup instead of accepting it.
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written by peterkong , November 07, 2006
I think both of author, and comment no. 1 exaggerated the matter. It is Thaksin's corruption, and his bad behaviour, especially disrepect to others caused consequence as today.
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Comparison to Bush is totally wrong, and I am quite disappointed by assertion of author. And this evidence is good enough for me to judge whether to believe author's previous title controversial or not report abuse
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I don\'t agree with this! !
written by phonlawat , November 07, 2006
It's a fake and some part of information are from supporter of Prem Tinsulanonda. You must take into consideration the King's favorablility against Gen Prem Tinsulanonda as the privy council head. Don't be fooled in this time of military coup who give out information and set plan to justify themselves for overthrowning a democratic government. We don't know yet what the future of Thai government and constitution including the constitution concerning the King and his succession will be since they had cancelled all constitution regarding his majestic power of the King if you didn't know that. Please don't be fooled by their information to justify themselves I repeat, this coup is not for people as a whole it's for maintaining the power of themselves only anyone with a brain with their own insight and pure heart knew that.
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