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Written by Our Correspondent   
Monday, 28 May 2007
Malaysia’s 24-year-old national car project appears to be headed for the scrap heap – unless the government bails it out once again.



proton The national car project that former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad nurtured against the advice of most of his advisers, all of his critics and common sense appears finally to be nears its demise, unable to achieve the economies of scale that would allow it to survive – unless once again the government bails it out.


Perusahaan Otomobil Malaysia Sdn Bhd, or Proton, has vainly been seeking a foreign partner to save it from going bust ever since Abdullah Ahmad Badawi took over from Mahathir in 2003 and began cutting away at many of Mahathir’s favorite projects. Proton has been talking to a number of potential foreign players, including US car giant General Motors (GM), Volkswagen and, PSA Peugeot Citroen.


But nobody calls, nobody writes. Despite reports that Proton was in talks with the German carmaker Volkswagen as long ago as 2004, Abdullah Badawi was recently quoted in the local media saying that he was still waiting for the CEO of Volkswagen to negotiate a deal. Nothing more has happened.


Proton is more than just a national car. It was the focal point of Mahathir’s dream to turn Malaysia into an industrial powerhouse built on the country’s considerable natural wealth of rubber, palm oil and crude. The car was one of a flock of mega-projects that Mahathir forced onto Malaysia in the 1980s and 1990s, creating steel mills, the US$475 million Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur, a US$5.5 billion Putrajaya administrative capital, the US$2.4 billion Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the US$15 billion Multi-Media Super Corridor which was supposed to eclipse Silicon Valley. The Bakun Dam in Sarawak was to generate enormous amounts of electrical power to be piped through 1,500 kilometers of underwater cables to West Malaysia. A vast network of highways was flung across the country.


Certainly the country is far different today than when Mahathir first became prime minister, to a large extent because of his vision. The highway system has transformed travel. Kuala Lumpur is a gleaming, modern Asian capital, crisscrossed by excellent expressways, its people far more prosperous than anyone would have dreamed 25 years ago. But huge amounts of money also have simply been wasted or lost to corruption, raising profound questions over whether Mahathir took the right development path.


Perwaja Steel, designed to spearhead Malaysia’s industrialization, lost US$800 million and its chairman was arrested. The Petronas Towers have been superseded as the world’s tallest buildings after contributing to a real estate glut in KL. Petronas, the national oil company and perennial cash cow for bailouts, occupies one entire 88-storey tower. The super corridor has fallen far short of its goal of turning Malaysia into an IT powerhouse as the tech boom has bypassed the country and largely gone to India. The Bakun Dam, considered a major white elephant because there is nowhere to sell the power it would generate, has yet to be built.


But Proton will probably end up as Mahathir’s biggest failed legacy unless something so-far unexpected happens. It is unknown how much taxpayer money has gone down the drain. Some analysts put the figure between US$2 billion and US$$3 billion. Certainly the opportunity to consumers was staggering, as tariffs up to 200 percent on competing carmakers kept them out of Malaysia’s markets.


Japan’s Mitsubishi Corp., which persuaded Mahathir to retool an even-then ageing Lancer in 1985 and put an Islamic star and shield on the hood, quit in 2004 and sold its 16 percent stake back to Proton Holdings Bhd, the holding company for Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional, the parent company.


After Mitsubishi pulled out, the absence of newer models and the inability to find a reliable and technically sound foreign partner meant that sales began to decline. Although Proton had more than 60 percent of the market in 2002, that fell to 30 percent by 2006 and has continued to decline. The Asia Free Trade Area has mandated tariff reductions to a maximum of 5 percent by next year, which should spell a further drop in market share.


Analysts say Proton’s cash reserves plummeted from around 2 billion ringgit at the end of 2004 to less than 500 million ringgit today. A recent Wall Street Journal-Asia report suggests that as Proton burns up about 300 to 500 million ringgit annually, the company will go into the red by the end of 2008.


General car sales figures released recently by the Malaysian Automotive Association (MAA) point to a sluggish consumer market, with sales of all new cars down nearly 13 percent in April of this year. The number of cars sold was considerably lower year-on-year compared to April of 2006. The MAA has blamed the decline on a lack of consumer confidence, difficulty in getting hire-purchase loans and poor resale value of used cars.


The lackluster sales market is proving to be a deadly blow for Proton, prompting an association of Proton car dealers to launch an appeal for the car company to find a strategic partner quickly. There have also been offers from local Malaysian conglomerates well established in the automotive industry such as DRB-Hicom Bhd and the Naza group of companies.

 

The Proton Edar Dealer’s Association Malaysia (PEDA) – ethnic Malays who were given preferential treatment to become dealers and distributors – are putting out an SOS, saying they have averaging monthly losses of about 20,000 ringgit per dealer. These dealers, who cashed in during the good days are now in dire straits as the government is less willing to continue extending protectionist policies.


Even with today’s tariffs, Malaysia now has an influx of cheaper, newer and higher-quality cars from Korea and Japan. Nissan and Hyundai are popular options and have chipped away at Proton's market share by introducing locally produced models at competitive prices.


The chances of Proton of being snapped up by a foreign partner are slim, although the prize for any potential partner would undoubtedly be Proton’s new 2 billion ringgit production plant in Tanjung Malim north of Kuala Lumpur, which is severely under-utilized. The plant, which was envisaged to churn out about 400,000 cars a year, is now only producing about 200,000, shooting the concept of economies of scale dead.


A potential tie-up with a foreign partner could very well increase that production capacity to around 350,000 units a year and lower production costs as well as provide inroads to the Asian market, particularly into India and China. The Malaysian parliament was told recently by a senior member of the cabinet that the government was still exploring possibilities with overseas car makers and would only talk to local partners after that.


But there is the problem of the increasingly furious Mahathir, who was appointed a special advisor to Proton after he left the premiership.

 


"If you sell to a foreign company, it will no longer be a national car,” he said. “They have to sell to a local company."


He has had public clashes with its present management, which seems to be in favor of positioning Proton to compete in an eventual open market. The political wrangling is sending negative signals on Malaysia’s willingness to cede control of the national car maker to foreign interests.


The idea that consumers will feel a patriotic duty to buy local has been disproved all over the planet, and the Malaysian public is no different. Car buyers have already been worn down by unceasing complaints over the quality of Proton cars and their high price.


Even the local distributors and dealers are in favor of a change of direction for the ailing car maker. PEDA in its statement said that “the foreign partnership will expedite future model variants for these different market segments and improve quality”.


The government is committed to exposing Proton to market forces. Its new automotive policy, which aims to enhance competitiveness in the local automotive sector as well as reduce import duty on cars in compliance with its trade pact obligations, is under intense scrutiny and pressure.


The issue is tricky. Proton has around 12,000 employees and in an election year the government would be hard pressed to cut jobs. Mahathir has hit out at the policy, warning that the government could soon “kill Proton.” Thus, the situation is delicate for Abdullah Badawi in introducing reforms without attracting blame for demise. Ironically, the only solution to the problem may be a return to the old ways of the Mahathir era – a bail-out, something the government has so far refused to consider.


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Slowing down our country's economic growth since proton came
written by yee , June 24, 2009
Since proton established in Malaysia, our Malaysian Government is killing our economy, most importantly is because of the excise duty and protectionism. The Malaysian Government has been lying to the people since the 80's that imported cars are made to be "SO" expensive that only Malaysian made cars are cheap enough for the people to buy (That is so wrong). More over, even Malaysian made cars are selling at a rate of almost equivalent to import cars without excise duty. I hope all Malaysian should realize what they are buying. So if we can, we should at least stop buying Protons just because it is bigger car than Perodua. I myself preferred Perodua because it is a Daihatsu car and not some piece of crap
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Vote4ProtonVote4Charity
written by 4dgoodofmalaysiaalways , January 30, 2009
I am alarmingly patriotic and will fight for THE NATIONAL anything. Yes, I bought Proton always and family have all Proton cars to the chagrin of my friends and business colleagues.

YES, a good well written article. Kudos to the writer!

Proton cars and parts are cheap BUT not great quality wise. My poor Waja bought at RM64 K is now a miserable RM30K for a just turned 3 year old car and I have spent much changing original poor quality parts. I deeply regret my decision because I want to change my car and it has no resale value at all.

In the course of my work, I have come across vendors for Proton parts whose staff's' technical expertise are questionable but in this business the owner-vendors are mostly cronies of so and so. A closer look at some of these owner-vendors and their accounts will reveal that they are making losses and they are getting $$ mini bail-outs from government banks in loans and grants. They are not chosen based on business acumen and quality - spendability and datukability is the criteria.

The mega ones get mega bail-outs as already publicly known. Najib's stimulus packages will be sent to nurse these dying companies.

This is how Proton business is carried out. I would agree with the rest of the commentators that this is so too with the big projects and big businesses done during the Dr M era. It is a sad case indeed. Perhaps, Dr M should personally bail-out Proton, Perwaja etc. I think he has the ability and capacity to do so. It would be charitable of him.
sakit hati untuk negara
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written by Sam Liong , December 14, 2007
For many years now, Proton has been producing inferior cars.

Yet the same car suppliers are producing the same "carry-over-part" for the newer models.

Proton can now only sell the new Persona and the cheap Saga (which is being phased out). Other than that, Proton sales for Perdana, Satria Neo and Savvy are suffering. The Wira is a very old model and Proton has made no plans to improve on it or fix its many design or quality flaws, from its power windows that fail within the first month, to the rattling dashboard, to the sunvisor that keeps dropping.

The new Proton management has changed the entire Proton management team. Basically he has brought in his own cronies. They are not honest people and are there to line their own pockets.

Other than the Persona, there is the new upcoming Waja CPS and the cheap relacement model for the Saga.

Proton needs technological support because their Proton R&D team does not do any real R&D. They rely on vendors to make changes.

For Proton to improve, they need to remove the problem suppliers and ensure that top management is CLEAN. That means no bribes from vendors to "keep them supplying to Proton" which is still happening even now.
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written by hongchee , November 29, 2007
The trouble with the idea of having our own national cars were twofolds:- firstly, we do not have economics of scale and secondly, automobile industry is a very difficult industry. Warrant Buffett said he never liked to invest in stocks of this industry in that huge profit needed to be ploughed in for new models and this results in low return on capital invested.
Our former PM was a big dreamer and but never a good businessman.
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Just shut off
written by Sim , November 09, 2007
I do not see any value to keep Proton. For Korea, growing/investing Hyundai and Kia, eventually has made them successful in export market. For Proton, this business investment just fails. So agree with many of you all, shut it down and move on. The issue is we mix this with races, religion, self-interest etc etc, hence never make us successful in this ultra-competitive globalized world.
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proton will die
written by pttan , October 27, 2007
When you dont allow the best to helm Proton, making choices based on race and religion and have a general pathetic notion of what is quality, you expect to survive in today's market.

Wake up and get real - none of our car makers can survive without protection or bailouts compared with the rest of the world. 10 years ago, we tarik harga when in talks with China over the car project, 10 years later, we are soon to be getting swamped by Chinese cars.

20 years ago, Japan seeded the Korean car industry, no wthe Koreans are giving the Japanese a run for their money.

Why - they both choose the best - we continue to choose base on creed and color.
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Better late than never
written by Jarizan , October 26, 2007
I really admire the vision and strategic move that Mahathir has initiated. I believe it was not just about a national car, but the spin off effect which should have speed up Malaysia turning into an industrialized country and avoid over dependency on agriculture. Unfortunately, the execution part has gone out of track. Over protective and too long, turn Proton and the "so-called" vendors into complacency. Since tax over imported cars was too high, there was big enough room for the most inefficient manufacturing and supply chain to be in practice. There came the 2 or 3 layers "claimed manufacturing vendors" and yet everybody still got the opportunity to earn double and triple digit profit %. The vendor restructuring program came too late, a few years ago. It should have been a continuous emphasize ever since Proton get started with an aggressive target set.
I believe what Proton need to do now is to really wake up, work only with first tier parts manufacturer/supplier, cut cost, really practice its quality control policy and standard, and forget about the bumiputera or even Malaysian only vendor development program. Buy from the cheapest components manufacturers in the world and Proton should be able to survive. Don't hope so much for VW until we become like a beggar. There are many factories operating at Proton volume and they can survive with the right marketing strategy and cost consciousness. The bumi car dealers program may continue as a way to balance of social economic situation but it should also be gradually opened to every potential entity soon. The protective policy is only to give a head start but if kept for too long, the program will die off natural death due to incompetency and complacency. Government need to do it now and it's better to be late than never.
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Proton?
written by abech Chin , October 19, 2007
well, its too late argue or comment. The bes solution is to close it down and this wil jus end this ALL comment. Overall, Proton sucks!
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written by Economist , September 08, 2007
One of the worst thing to do is to shut off interested investors, whether foreign or local. Proton is especially guilty for its 'race' and 'religion' biased policies. In Mauritius, even the dealers of Proton MUST be Muslim. Is that how business is done?
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PROTON OR POTONG ?
written by DAVIDLIM , August 24, 2007
WE ARE 3RD WORLD COUNTRY BUT DON'T BEHAVE LIKE 1ST WORLD?

FOUNDER AND FORMER PM, VERY CLEVER CHAP.

TAX THE LOCALS AND PAY TO MIITSUBISHI AND THE TAIWAN AGENTS.

MANY DON'T KNOW LE ! ASK FORMER FINANCE MINISTER, TG. RH.

BEST SOLUTION, CLOSE IT DOWN LAH AS THE LOCALS WILL NEVER WANT TO SUPPORT IT ANYMORE IN RESPECT THE LOWER PRICES YOU WANT TO SELL.
TOO MANY OF THEM GOT CHEATED WITH THE POOR QUALITY AND LOUSY AFTERSALE SERVICE.

ONCE SOLD, WE WILL HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.

LESS HEADACHES, ABB, GIVE THE CITIZENS MORE CHOICES AS ALL OUR STAFFS IN PROTON DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PROTON AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SALVAGE THIS COMPANY ANYMORE LAH. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT.


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written by Timmy , August 17, 2007
I own a Gen 2, and its one of the investment I took that really gone sour. I took up a 7 yrs. hire purchase loan to finance this car. It has been almost 3 yrs since I bought this car and I couldn't even make a proper settlement of the loan with such a bad resale value. Why Proton allows discount for their new cars? What will happened to one that I owned???
I beleive Proton is no more focused off their objectives. Short term solution is only temporary. Forget about the national car idea. Proton desperately needs fund, by allowing foreign invester we would not only save Proton from dire straits, Proton would inherit their Technology to build better & more compatitve cars for world demands. Well, bare in mind i am also a Proton owner. I sincerely hope that Proton makes the correct decision.
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written by Peter Gregory , August 13, 2007
I'm sorry to read the negative comments above. I own a Satria Neo; it's a fabulous car and so far has been totally reliable, with excellent dealership service. I think that having the national car was the right thing to do at Malaysia's stage of development, but that now, it needs to be open to foreign participation in order to finance new models and enjoy those economies of scale, otherwise it may end up like the British car industry.
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Satria Gti fan
written by lando , August 07, 2007
If this about protectonist policy, there is no actually country in the world that's not guilty, US,EU and Japan keep protecting their farmers as well as subsidizing them as long as it affect political support. However having Proton as a stepping stone for heavy industries have more benefits than waste. Though, what Proton need to do is to keep up with the others. Economy of scale is just one of the factors. Proton needs to listen to its middle income customer like perodua did rather than trying to capture the high end or low end of the market (like Savvy which initially is one ugly car without the facelift)
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Follow Thailand
written by CS Ang , August 02, 2007
Please copy Thais in the automotive industries. Be more realistic, creating idustries are to make money. What is pride if it incur a lot of emotional and financial suffering. I know we have more and better qualified people than Thailand. Simply we are English literate. We are fast learner.

Switch now, we will catch up in 5 years time. No need Malaysian cars, Malaysia needs ringgits.
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i hope....
written by nora , July 23, 2007
i dunno why ppl are so allergic to proton cars. u cant find a prefect car anyway. even toyota which has been recognized as the best car maker (beating honda) annouced at least 2 defects. well, things have not been so good to proton lately, eversince pak lah is taking over the ruling of the country - due to his unfriendly policy towards proton, i.e. the one dealing with afta and ap issues. i hope things will be better for proton once a new pm takes over the ruling of the country. i hope to see proton will come back alive again, and move foward for further progress in the automotive industry.
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written by NORA , July 23, 2007
i dunno why ppl are so allergic to proton cars. u cant find a prefect car anyway. even toyota which has been recognized as the best car maker (beating honda) annouced at least 2 defects. well, things have not been so good to proton lately, eversince pak lah is taking over the ruling of the country - due to his unfriendly policy towards proton, i.e. the one dealing with afta and ap issues. i hope things will be better for proton once a new pm takes over the ruling of the country. i hope to see proton will come back alive again, and move foward for further progress in the automotive industry.
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Failure based on basic economic priciple
written by The Economist , July 21, 2007
Its rather obvious for who has learned economics before could easily apply the theory of protective regime and its ineficiency which could lead to a dead weight loss (taxpayers money wasted and other economic profits down to the drain). What im trying to say is, who is the responsible one for ignoring the advise of elite economists available in the country. As an "non-bias" economists, it would be rather absurd to have something like this happen.If this situation is based on what economic side the country is on, i would say its no different with an communist country. Yes protective regime is used to protect fresh industry in the country but not to the extend that almost 200 to 300% tax being implemented on import cars. If it would be illustrated on a graph....there would be no such graph. The non competitive world of proton has lead to sluggish growth due to loss of consumers confidence,corruption and other unethical practices.Without the competition, there is no way the quality of proton cars would likely to improve. Shall the quality would improve, the price of proton cars would be almost on par with good quality foreign cars or maybe cheaper. That is what P1 is afraid the most. So by giving cutbacks, mass production on economics of scale, lower quality and etc proton gets to cut costs. So its an abnormal profit proton and a dead weight loss for the consumer.
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Proton \"Making d\'U Turn\"
written by Andy E , July 20, 2007
There are ways to turn around. Dont just work on the membrance but to focus on the nucleus itself. What you don't understand, you just need to get rid of them. I do that in all my trades for the past 11 years.
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proton-suffer
written by jonathan , July 16, 2007
mahatir was right in establishing PROTON (in 1985) but failed to accept & (adapt) to changes.PROTON will FAILED if nothing is done to improved & sell the equity to a BIG partner. No point holding on to a rotten apple
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Why Proton fail?????
written by hs , July 15, 2007
Because of corruption loh..i know of the vendors for proton but most of them dunno about technical of the parts. It involved few level eg 3rd tier sell to 2 nd tire and 2nd tier sell to 1st tier..sure all the parts became expensive loh..(even school children also know how to calculate.
When coming to produce part, the vendor only use spec in materials(which is expensive) and do not look for alternative which is cheaper but have same qualities or even higher.
With this 2 factors, sure Proton car is expensive. For infomation, most vendors have some form of JV with Japanese firm. If you want to get their project u must have JV with Japanese..(chia lat)..They come here to make $$$ not transfer of technologies.....This happen to our so called 2nd National Car...no Japanese no project..
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written by rich berra , July 13, 2007
Malaysian Govt made a big mistake, they produced own cars and yet giving to many APs to import cars, especailly from Korea. This is only benefitted to those with good link with MITI. And Proton suffer. Talks with VW seems good, but remember no more Malaysian auto.
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ethnocracy
written by raje , July 12, 2007
It's funny that Mahatir rooted for Malay supremacy when his father was an Indian immigrant.
As for proton,like all GLCs which harp on full "ethnocracy" instead of meritocracy, it has to fail eventually.(still is)
It happened in Tanzania b4 where continuous foreign aid caused the locals to be complacent,lazy and fail.
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written by Franco , July 04, 2007
Hmmm i think its time proton suffers for awhile, I bought my first proton iswara 1.3 brand new in 1997. Those dealers then damn lansi. If you dun want full accessories wait one year. Want fast pay more. Serves you dealers now that you guys are having a tough time. Good for you man. Lansi some more la. Proton have too many quality issues. From A-Z you name it you got it whatever the problem it maybe. And how can an Iswara model runs for more than 10 years. Proton only knows how to face lift and thats bout it. What so good bout Proton. 1985 ok tai ko in Malaysia. 2007 I think you guys have to be down to earth again. VW is my advise if you guys wanna make money and conquer the market once again
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PROTON - VALUE FOR MONEY!!!!!
written by JohnHa , June 25, 2007
I am still driving my Proton Gen1(One), bout 21 yrs old. Gen 1 was a good 'quality' car. still in good shape & well maintain. Bottom line to PROTON: We want VALUE for Our MONEY & not bled us dry. See who suffer now!! Do not repeat the American Car Manufacturers mistakes in the 70's & 80's. Proton should have learnt from others' mistakes. Now we together gether suffer. Hopefully VW tie-up will work. Forget bout the 'Pride', just swallow it.
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written by Azman bin zaial , June 21, 2007
Hopeless Proton
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The Red Baron
written by red baron , June 19, 2007
Well, in its aim of creating business opportunities and supporting businesses supporting and supplying to Proton, that has been achieved very very well. Proton suffers from a lack of focus on re-inventing and re-engineering itself. It is this same comfort zone that has killed Proton. why are we still known, after decades, as the Lousy Car maker of Asia? What happened to Lotus? Could Proton not have really leveraged on Lotus technology and know-how to come up with the best in the business even the likes of BMW-Mini and even Alfa with a Malaysian-made v6 sports car at say below RM100,000. Instead we have a "Lotus designed" Waja engine (whatever that means be it the oil cap or maybe engine cover??) and Satria nuts and bolts on the body?
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Voice from non-proton owner
written by A non-proton Owner , June 17, 2007
Mahathir project for industrialization is indeed a good vision for Malaysia. However the failure lied in over "AMBITIOUS". Look at Thailand, no National Car crap and yet they have shown their ability to design and sell the car.
Complacency, seduced by initial success (through government protection), you name it, have setup Proton to fail badly. As the per capital income rises and the Malaysians get more demanding for a better quality product, Proton starts to feel the pressure. However the incompetency of the management staff had not detected this increasing pressure. Perdana is a good example - a model lasted for >15 years. Where in the world that an automobil company sells such an old model today?
Talk about foreign partnership.... No idiot in this world is willing to pay billions of dollar for a non-control state in the company! To sell Proton is not equal to sell a National (or should I say Bumiputra) asset. To keep this asset, Millions of dollars will continue to be lost. This $$ can be used to build infrastructures to benefit the majority Malaysian rather than the minority few. There are many ways the business can be setup through strategic alliances. Put the pride of Bumiputra aside and start to think like a businessman.
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MALAYSIA BOLEH - BLAME GAME - REACTIVE MANAGEMENT
written by Daniel Lim , June 14, 2007
Firstly the objective of making Malaysia an industrialize country is not wrong other wise we would be where we are to-day. We would be "LAY BACK" some 25 years back.

As Malaysians we must be objective and focus in what we do. Example we cannot get a COW to climb a coconut tree to pluck coconuts neither can we get a MONKEY to pull a BULLOCART. and NEITHER can we get a TIGER to eat grass and a GOAT to eat meat.

Samehere we have many artistic people , who are good creaters, dreamers and singers. We should develope, encourage and train these people to enhance their skills to better themselves in fields of Architech, Actors, Designers, Animation, Movie Making, Dress Designers, Singers, Actore, Music Composers, Artists, Musicians,etc etc. Instead we put them in Engineering, Accounts, Finance, Business, Projects etc etc.

It is like putting a round pole in a square peg.
Sure because of this Malaysia Boleh - put wrong people in wrong places and in the end we blame everybody. Management to be blame, not my fault somebody else fault. E.g Police Comissioner Blames Police Chief, Minister of Public Works blames Parlament for faulty building. List goes ON so eventually nobody is responsible all swept under the carpet. If we do not get the right people to do the job we will never get things DONE.

Everything Malaysia can do - who can't as long as you have a pocket full of money. Which eventually will create a big hole in the pocket (our public's pocket). Climb the highest mountain, drop form the highest sky, go up into space. Yes, as long as there is no Competation. Once there is we can't even play FootBall-MUST BE SPOON FED - like this everybody can also what!!

It has always been so our management style is reactive management as long as everything is all right don't touch it. When it breaks down BLAME SOMEONE OR SOMETHIN ELSE. LOOK FOR A SCAPE GOAT.

When will we ever learn we we do not do something we will be at the bottom of the mountain not at the top. As it is we are sliding down slowly now soon it willbe getting faster if we do not STOP the slide. BEWARE DO NOT BE REACTIVE MANAGEMENT BUT PROACTIVE MANAGEMENT.
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written by a guest , June 13, 2007
Pls see with your own eyes how many government subsidise company and bumi owned company made it..... It is only the begining
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proton is a big time failer
written by neshi , June 09, 2007
proton needs to change the management and the staff's and let's work as MALAYSIAN and not malay to see succes
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Finally, the wait is over!
written by KL Guy , June 08, 2007
We all know Proton is going to die someday, and that day is near, very near indeed. The amount of money which could be used to save Proton has already been put to other uses, such as the recent rise in civil servants' wages. I seriously agree with Karl. A business model or anything else of which its foundation was built upon injustice and forceful strategies will definitely fall apart. History has shown us this fact clear enough.
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written by a guest , June 08, 2007
the quicker proton dies, the more taxpayers' money is saved...same goes for all the similar entities/corporations in our bleoved msia...market forces will alwiz prevail...its only a matter of time the inevitable bcomes reality...die proton...die!!!
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Suggest Merger For Proton & Perodua
written by Leslie Lim , June 05, 2007
Since cars produced by Perodua are also considered Malaysian -make car . I suggest that a merger for both will definitely bring improvement , technology , quality and price competitiveness for its products. Technology under Perodua is backed by Toyota and Daihatsu and the product of its partnership had brought about better -make , high quality RxD cars to our Malaysian public. Surely the hot selling cars in Myvi and the latest Viva are clear testimony to its market stategy . Why bother about our controlling stake or equity , just produce cars of competitive prices and quality and the Malaysian public will be all eager to support our national car project. We should co -exist with other overseas brands which are more established and high tech in RxD so as to bring in new technologies in car -making for our Malaysian's car . Or else we just have to watch the doom of our Malysian car in a sad way .
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written by PJUtara , June 05, 2007
No forgiveness. Millions of advisor has advise against it. So, it is Mahathir's fault that Proton fail and most of the bumiputra entreprenuers fail.
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Another 1 Bites the Dust
written by jaycho , June 04, 2007
Proton may have begun as a nationalistic effort to industrialize the country but like so many other “project besar”, it has lost the plot due to complacency and short-sightedness. You can blame poor stewardship for why the car maker is in dire straits now. However, you can’t deny the fact the bigger idiot is the one who put him there!

Anyway, today, because of this ill-conceived and poorly managed entity, the fate of 12,000 proton employees hang in a balance. For the proton employee who pays tax, the insult is even more grievous, having to know the Govt has and may again use his hard earned cash to bail out his employer who may not have a job for him tomorrow. Ironic!!!

To all GLCs: Trim the fat. Stay lean and clean!!!
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and Naza too!
written by luccio , June 03, 2007
I hear a lot of blame on Tun Mahathir. Granted.... but what about the cronies who benefit from the AP ('import permit') scam? The 'Naza connection' especially. Naza is an importer /dealer of foreign brands, exclusive (Porsche, Brabus) or not (Peugeot, Kia), sometimes relabeling the car by merely putting a 'Naza' sticker on it... the local suckers are promised a slight discount on imported cars (most of the time a year-model of 1 or 2 years before!!), strangely loan approval is much more swift than with other car dealerships, and once loan is approved the sucker has 2 wait for the car to be cleared from customs (Naza is even saving on cash flow and clears cars from bonded warehouse only after they are sold)...I hear that the very well connected Mr Naza (Nasimuddin)received last year thousands of such import rights, valued at 50krm - 15,000 usd - each. Last but not least, when the government gives up on trying to find a foreign buyer, the will turn to local candidates... among which ... Mr Naza again. So, please don't shoot the piano player only!
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Good idea failed due to poor execution
written by Azmi Shahrin , June 02, 2007
I won't blame Dr M for the Proton idea. It was a good idea which failed because the myopic management were only focussed to milk the Malaysian public dry. Proton had numerous advantages in the form of incentives and tariffs which it failed to capitalize to spur export sales.
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written by wenghong , June 01, 2007
The Sad Saga of Proton exemplifies everything that is wrong with Malaysia - corruption, short-sighted nationalism, a sense of entitlement. Taking short-cuts (borrowing foreign technology for a "national car" and not wanting to WORK hard.
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Bailout Alert in Malaysia
written by politicallyincorrect , May 31, 2007
So the unborn generation are doomed to pay for the billions of losses due to the meglomaniac Mahathir's capital intensive industries and his mad pursuit in making towering malays. This evil tyrant used Petronas as his private purse. May a plague visit him!
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Why proton must fail ...
written by Karl , May 31, 2007
The market will eventually punish any unfair practices that defies the natural order in the business world. Proton will fail because the business model was built on the foundation of exploiting the consumers by imposing unfair taxes to restrict better quality imports. The practice adopted by the company to protect the interest of a certain race has also violated the universal law of free market. Malaysians will have to pay a high price for many years to come for making the mistake of embracing the vision of narrow minded leader like Dr M.
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written by Ravi Thangaratnam , May 30, 2007
Like most things schemed by the Government to help certain ethic group, they make the most elementary mistake of putting inept leaders to manage the process. And so you have it-losses, bailouts, subsidies, blame others for their incompetence.
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Proton Suckers
written by car buyer , May 30, 2007
In a truly free market economy, the `market' (meaning customers) shall reign supreme. Any efforts, however well-intentioned & forceful, to go against this principle shall invariably end in vain &, much more so, at your own peril. This golden rule is time-tested & well known to all economists. Only a fool shall fail to foresee this.

Proton deserves to die & the sooner the better, for it helps save untold squandered tax payer funds. Besides, its demise shall herald in a new era where customers shall enjoy more freedom in getting better valued cars at presumably cheaper prices.
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Proton
written by R Singh , May 29, 2007
Proton, without any doubt, manufactured a sub-standard product. The export models had safety features absent from the local variants. Malaysians are all too aware of the shortcomings of Proton. Just read the many, many complaints in the newspapers and online journals. The problem is indeed that it never learnt to stand on its own two feet. It never really felt proud of its product, until the end that is when we can say Proton finally, through its association with Lotus, began to move away from selling re-badged clones. The fact of the matter remains that whilst the government was the second biggest subsidiser of Proton, the Malaysian purchasers (who had little choice because of the tariffs imposed on other foreign makes) were the main subsidisers of Proton. I do hope that when Proton disbands that its employees find more suitable employ.
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written by Fred , May 29, 2007
I believe Dr Mahathir, in starting the national car is something which is right and justified. I fully support him for his vision.Things may not worked out the way he wanted but we cannot blamed him solely for this. I believe every Malaysian should support the national car project. However, during the course of time since its infancy, the lack of focus on quality, price and models has contributed to its near collapse. The management of proton should be blamed for this because of their failure to read the market well. All the while locals has been complaining on the high price and quality but no concrete measures has come out to address this problem. I hope they will find a suitable partner soon and not kill off the project. It is crucial for it to remain in the control of Malaysians as it is a matter of national pride. We cant be seen to fail on such a huge project. However, I hope they will change the logo..it is not very appealing.
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written by leekengcahn , May 29, 2007
I think Proton is heading towards self destruction. The quality of cars are not improving and thier recent effort to clear the Iswara Aeroback at RM27k is wrong. To compensate for the price there were many obvious cut in quality.The tradtional noisy proton became worse and there were all round cut backs. This is heading to the wrong direction. I have been a Proton customer all my life not by choice and I am one very dissatified customer. I am only using the car because of my limited financial capacity.
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Bailout Alert in Malaysia
written by ray kenneth , May 29, 2007
The Proton experiment failed because it never competed but lived on subsidies. It’s the end of the road. Like any policy hedged by subsidies, it’s only a matter of time before tougher competition brings on that wake up call. Mahathir should have been tougher with this baby earlier on but it is now hooked to subsidies…..rather then shut it down let a local chap like Naza or Syed Mokhtar give it a go….and don’t waste time…you never know….as Air Asia has proven singular entrepreneurs could be solution for this company…provided Mahathir accepts the fact that it can no more be Malay but Malaysian…….otherwise cut your losses and shut it down and spare Malaysian taxpayers the agony of a bail out….
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written by Elizabeth Davidson , May 28, 2007
Mahathir tried most plausible economic policies. Some, like foreign direct investment, worked out wonderfully. Others, like the heavy industries drive, failed. Everyone should give him a break. Back in 1980, no one knew which would work and which would not. People should forgive his weakness in being overly attached to Proton.
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Good Info
written by Ken G , May 28, 2007
Quite a comprehensive view about Proton. And what the Proton Vendor's association is asking for (government bailout) is quite pathetic but is typical of local companies. Incompetent people running on government charity. Only in Malaysia does this happen
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