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The country’s highest court rules that a Kuala Lumpur woman can’t convert to Christianity
See Also: Doing the Impossible: Quitting Islam in Malaysia
Joy, 43, remains a recluse, fearing retaliation in Malaysia’s always edgy religious and ethnic atmosphere. She cannot legally marry her non-Muslim partner, a cook, because the law requires non-Muslims to convert to Islam if they wish to marry someone of that faith. She has not spoken to the press since her case became public. She converted to Christianity when she was 26. Although the case was decided nearly a year ago, the federal court delayed its public ruling, partly because of the thorny legal issues and the question of whether the country’s federal courts should defer to syariah law. Despite the fact that Malaysia is largely a moderate Islamic country, only about 60 percent of its citizens are Muslims, existing in an uneasy balance with the mostly Chinese Christian, Buddhist or Taoist minority who make up about 25 percent of the population. Indians and other minorities make up another 11 percent.
Authorities earlier this week were urging calm, as were Muslim religious leaders. The victory in court should defuse any further concerns, although Christian opponents were expected to be holding silent vigils and issuing statements. The reform organization Aliran issued a statement saying that: "The freedom of religion guaranteed by the Federal Constitution under Article 11 comes across as hollow and meaningless. This decision has totally rendered null and void the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Federal Constitution. Under the circumstances, the Federal Court’s decision has a devastating effect on issues of fairness and justice. Concerned citizens will rightly wonder whether the judiciary is capable of delivering justice for those who turn to it. They will be turned away from the judicial system of the country thinking that the judges who are sworn to uphold the Federal Constitution in the course of their duty are not living up to their oath of office."
It is not possible to be an ethnic Malay in Malaysia without being a Muslim. Apostasy or conversion is a punishable offence in most states, either with a fine or a jail sentence or both. Muslims dominate most of the public institutions and have done so since bloody 1969 riots that officially killed 192 persons on both sides of the ethnic divide, but are presumed to have killed hundreds more
Despite the fact that one clause of the country’s original federal constitution guarantees freedom of religion, another, added later, states that “State law and in respect of the Federal Territories of Kuala Lumpur and Labuan, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam." Generally, the government has sought to stay out of the issue and has referred questions over apostasy or conversion to the country’s syariah. Not surprisingly, the syariah courts have ruled unanimously that ethnic Malays must remain Islamic.
Malaysia, however, is on an increasingly secular path on all sides of the ethnic and religious divide. On a breakneck path to modernization for the past 25 years, urban citizens of all ethnic groups have become more secular, with young Malays adopting miniskirts, jeans and all the accoutrements that go with modern lifestyles. Religious and government leaders have watched that with increasing concern.
Accordingly – and especially with the departure of former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, an authoritarian figure who largely kept ethnic concerns isolated -- official Islam is stiffening its resistance. The syariah courts have particularly refused to budge on any issues involving a change of religion. One woman, Kamariah Ali, who joined a sect and publicly renounced Islam in 1999, was ordered jailed in 2005 on charges of “insulting Islam.” . Then, last year, a mountaineering hero and Army corporal named Manyan Moorthy died of cancer and was buried in a Muslim cemetery with Muslim rites despite the fact that his wife insisted he had never converted. The civil High Court ruled that it could not overrule the syariah court that had declared him a Muslim.
Religious tensions have occasionally flared. Last November, Muslims gathered outside a Catholic church in Ipoh after text messages that the church was preparing to baptize a group of Malays, including a celebrated yachtsman, Azhar Mansor, who had sailed around the world single-handedly in 1999 without an engine. Azhar, who no longer lives in Malaysia, is widely believed to be a quietly practicing Christian although he has denied it. Although the SMS proved to be false, authorities were forced to move in to forestall violence. Unverified accusations of mass conversions into Christianity by Malays have been swirling in the press and blogs, further stoking the fire.
The attorney general’s chambers announced recently that it was considering establishing a commission to study religious-sensitive cases like Joy’s, said Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Nazri Abdul Aziz. The commission, if it comes to into existence, is expected to include religious leaders of all faiths. The government wants a system in which disputes such as conversion, especially when it involves children, can be addressed in an ‘extra legal manner.'
The most recent incident that has gripped Malaysians and make international headlines is the forced separation of a Muslim woman, Siti Fatimah, from her husband, Suresh Veerapan, who contended that Siti was no longer a Muslim and in fact a practicing Hindu born to Muslim parents, and that her name is actually Revathi Masoosai. Islamic religious officials charged Siti Fatimah with committing apostasy and ordered for her sent to a ‘rehabilitation’ center for almost 100 days. Her detention was extended another 80 days in April. In an interview with the television network Al Jazeera, Siti Fatimah’s mother said she would raise the couple’s 15-month-old granddaughter as a Muslim.
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ESPECIALLY FOR : WOMEN'S RIGHTS - what's that? written by a guest , August 18, 2007
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written by xueryna , April 05, 2009
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written by BeeDee , February 05, 2009
As I read the article and the comments, only one thing occurs to me. Those who wrote the article wants Lina Joy's case to start off a racial debate. And the people who wrote these comments have taken a good part in that debate. Sorry Lina, your case didn't win. Sorry courts, you will never win over Lina or people like her. Lina may already be in preparation on executing her plan b, god knows what. Doesn't matter which God of course!
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Anyway, everyone seem to know their history well but too bad it has become such a bad joke on this site. Wether the winner are the politicians, courts, justice, muslims or Islam itself, the losers have not lost the battle at all. Don't get so emotional. Bad mouthing the common malays does not get you anywhere. And to all common malays, the indians and chinese can go back to their native countries as china and india are developing into gigantic economic powers. But you guys can't go back to indonesia as they struggling with their very own oversized population. And I don't think they will ever think of you guys as their own kin. So don't shoot your mouth off. Malaysia is moving backwards when it comes to racial issues because some people really try very hard to politicise it. If other countries, even Indonesia where millions of people are practising muslims, can let their fellow muslims go, why can't us? Many of the muslims I know go to indonesia or singapore to legalise their marriage to non-muslims partners. Maybe it's time we should start tolerating too. It may path way to better understanding. report abuse
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written by Native , February 02, 2009
Religion was God's plan to unite human being who were so divided in their languages. Lets leave it as such. All comments point at 1 issue: we are all human that we are far from being perfect. Even Prophet Muhammad was a plain human being, born just the way we were. We will continue to search the best way to be near God...one that we can do with ease. So what ever human made law say about Lina Joy's belief status, let her have her peace with God. Lets not condemn her nor compare religions. We are knowledgeable humans with high EQ. For once lets not emulate the politicians in Gaza/Israel,least we may be tricked by Satan into a physical war. No matter how small a war is,humans will still be the losers.
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written by wayne , January 29, 2009
"Most of these comments are simply insulting to Islam and not reasoned responses to freedom of belief ... "
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How can we not be insulting to Islam? It's a ridiculous ideology that makes supernatural claims for itself without providing any evidence. Or do Muslims really believe* that an illiterate merchant was appointed by a fairy-being to become the author of the final testament of "god"? *Stupid question! Of course they believe this nonsense - with a fanatical certainty that masks their complete insecurity. That's why they have to threaten to throw people in prison, or even kill them, for the "crime" of apostasy. report abuse
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you should belive
written by AkhiratPastiAda , January 16, 2009
World and afterworld life's success is by practise religion. only 1 religion accepted by the GOD. it is Islamic religion. if you do not believe. wait your day of death
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democracy,human rights
written by hatehatred , December 26, 2008
well,i;m not going to give bad comments here as most of the ppl hv post here..n i hope evry1 are goin to be open minded.
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to be honest,i'm a 19yr old teenage bumiputra muslim,i'm not malay,but not really a religious person. i hv many non-muslim relatives,i hv frens who hv converted from islam and have but keep it a secret ,and i know people who get married e/though they hv different religion n hv kids..i dunno how that work..they all are very good ppl.. the point is,this is malaysia n we practice democracy here,every1 hv the right to speaks n from what i learn we are free to practice whatever religions that we want..so why is that when ppl converting to islam its all easy for them and when muslim convert they bcome like the bad ppl?double-standard? it just seem so unfair to me..n it really make me upset to see many of the apostates are being threatened for death just for changing their believes.they hv their right being violated! malaysia being a democracy country with the ppl are free to practice their faith n the denying lina joy for her conversion hv cause fear among other muslim who hv convert.they hv to live in their country with fear,n for all i know malaysia is a peaceful country with no war..some hv to flee from this country..how sad is that? as for lina joy,i'm sorry for her,she had battled years for her conversion n i compliment her 4 her bravery to step 4ward to follow the law procedures n all the hardship..she doesnt just flee to other country..but now,after all the fight for what she thinks is right eventually she hv to make that choice..flee..n i'm curious,even if she is a muslim(in her ID) and we all know she is an apostate, dont you think it'll make islam look bad?islam in ID but practicing other religion instead?i think this is like the act of denial..denying the truth..not only that,it make islam like something to fear about. is that islam is? some may think i'm naive,i'm a traitor etc..i just state my views from what i think is right.. hope things will get better in the future.. report abuse
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written by Saleha , November 13, 2008  I was born muslim..but I disagree with many things in Islam..I disagree with polygamy,headscarf and many more..I am angry when I was told to OBEY my husband..I believe in respecting each other. ,not OBEY...it is so degrading! I am not "ladang' for my husband  I hate that term). I have my rights to refuse sex if I am not in the mood. I am not an animal. I believe in God, not interested to convert in any other religion but I also do not want to practice Islam. But in Malaysia the Malays can't tolerate this...the school are forcing my children to learn Islamic, there are discrimination and teachers are acting horribily to my chidlren when I said I don't want them to take Islamic....I can be charged if I dont fast in Ramadhan...etc People like me wants freedom...citizen of Malaysia should be given freedom to choose whether to put their religion in MYKAD or not and leave out bin or binti... Freedom everyone wants freedom !! report abuse
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arguing with authority
written by stevenslahamin , November 10, 2008
if any muslim wants to denounce his or her faiths..is up to him in the first place but as a muslim also has the right to call him or her a murtad...so dont be intimidated of a former brother muslim call you by the word murtad...coz it is his right to call you in such a way and it is your choice to be such......................
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So Damn hypocrete Islam
written by No God , November 02, 2008
People can leave Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism to join Islam but Muslim can't join other religions! What is this! Lack of common sense or merely stupid! For this ANAK MELAYU DOK DI MELBOURNE, please go to a small island and live among your Muslim and Malays only! In that island you can practice Islam's punishment(hudud) and economy policy that favours your own race only(since has no others)!
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Islam!!!!U think u guys are the king of the world!
written by So Call Islam! , November 01, 2008
Go and eat s**t and open your brain so that we can identify the real reasons the for the stubborness to respect human basic rights!
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once a muslim, always a muslim
written by alex fernanfez , October 31, 2008
It's sad to see man with a wrong sense of GOD, LIFE & CREATION, etc, fighting & insulting each other in the NAME OF GOD. All claiming that their GOD is the REAL ONE. GOD is having a tough time gut HE is laughing at the follishness of man. It will be better for all man who commented on this issued, first, to gain wisdom, knowlwdge & understanding of their own religion & GOD as well as the other religions & "GODs" before commenting. Every religion has its way of life, that if you were to study them, they all have many very common similarities & message of life & GOD. So every Christian, Hindu, Buddist, etc can also emphasise, "ONCE A ......, ALWAYS A ....".The way I look at this whole episode is that all of you are shallow on the wisdom, knowledge & understanding of GOD and MAN. I must confess that I am no better. Only when you know your neighbour, you will know yourself. Please stop the abuse & insult of GOD, each other and religions. Just accept the fact that LINA JOY is a Christian & let her live & let live. Just as there a lots of man who accept Islam, Buddism, Hindusim, etc and there's no fuss about it. It take a wise and learned man to accept such. So instead of harping on this issue, let us move forward in harmony, peace & unity for a better world. May the Peace of GOD be with us. Amen
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Injustice & Prejudice
written by halfey , October 10, 2008
"Most of these comments are simply insulting to Islam and not reasoned responses to freedom of belief ... Their hardened hearts are so vile that many of these scum consider it reasonable to mass murder innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and then dare to even insult moderate countries when their own countries continue to degenerate. The Chinese will inshAllah soon humiliate the Yanks, Brits and Israelis as the BRIC's economies get stronger and others go down the toilet."
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Not only they sound insulting, I can see hatred towards Islam is clearly displayed. I must say they are also injustice and prejudice towards Islam. The conversion from Islam to other religion is not new in Malaysia. In fact, it happened so many times already, though the 'murtads' (people who quitting Islam) never officially denounce it, making the situation looks less significant. The concern about the issue only arise since the last decade after a considerable high number of application to quit Islam was received by the Malaysian Islamic authority. I would have writing more about it but since not many people are professional enough to think about it, I think I better to leave it just like that. Honestly, I also not approving the act of quitting Islam after the person once bear that there's no God but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger. It only shows his/her ungratefulness. report abuse
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Apostasy
written by Budak Kampong , October 07, 2008
No need to argue. The following 2 verses (amongst the many) are self-explanatory:
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Narrated Abu Burda: .... The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'" (Sahih Bukhari 9.58, also Sahih Bukhari 9.271) Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people [hypocrites] and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari 4.260) report abuse
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written by mykad , October 03, 2008
hi murthi
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Kenapa tak suka kena balik china atau india? balik indonesia boleh tak? u Otak elek kah? u ingat u tuhan kah? pendatang!. report abuse
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written by kassim selamat , September 29, 2008
I think you are all distracted from the main issue.The article is stating that muslims in Malaysia cannot convert into christianity.THIS A FALSE STATEMENT.
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Thay can convert but they must go to the SYARIAH COURT TO DO SO.Many have done so! The Lina Joy case is a test case from some smart alec lawyer who wants to take the case to the CIVIL COURT, and they failed. report abuse
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the problem is ourselves
written by islah , September 25, 2008
we ourselves is the centre of all problems. the truth is the truth and there is no such kind of two truths. The best way in my opinion is walk you talk. Practice you diin and let the way you practice your diin tells the truth.U have no right to discourse on other religion other than yours. Tell other on what your religon is all about and do not ever try to lecture other on their religion. (Alkafirun)
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What hypocrites
written by mohdrohan , September 11, 2008
Most of these comments are simply insulting to Islam and not reasoned responses to freedom of belief ... Their hardened hearts are so vile that many of these scum consider it reasonable to mass murder innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and then dare to even insult moderate countries when their own countries continue to degenerate. The Chinese will inshAllah soon humiliate the Yanks, Brits and Israelis as the BRIC's economies get stronger and others go down the toilet.
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religion
written by kickass , September 11, 2008
Hey Muslim,
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It's people like your kind that makes acountry go to war because of religion. If religion teaches you only hatred for others and their religion, then you must be learning something wrong. No religion teaches it's subjects to do evil or wrong, correct me if I am wrong. But you are doing evil, so can you call yrself a good religion practitioner by asking others to go back to China and India? Do you know where you came from? Are you sure? You have already sinned by yr actions. report abuse
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written by Wayne , August 31, 2008
"islam is a complete religion, read and go through AL-QURAN you will know the truth."
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Perhaps you meant that Islam is a "completely demented religion", in which case I agree wholeheartedly. Or do you really believe, on the basis of no evidence, that an "angel" descended on an illiterate merchant in a cave somewhere on the Arabian peninsula in order to dictate the contents of a yet-to-be-written book! That's a preposterous fable, I'm afraid to say, though I'd still be happy to defend your right to believe this nonsense on the condition that you do not violate the right of other people NOT to believe in it. But you just can't hold up that end of the deal, can you? No, because you're terrified that a mere trickle of Lina Joy's, Siti Fatimah's et al, might turn into a flood of defections from Islamic lunacy. And we can't have that, my dear Bumis, can we? Heaven forbid that we will let people make up their own minds about superstition without harassing them in the courts, taking away their right to choose their own spouse, or even locking them up in "detention" (i.e. prison) for 6 months in order to brainwash them back into the "faith"! No, much better that we lock up "dangerous" apostates like Siti Fatimah so as to maintain a false "communal harmony" at the behest of Islamic nutters. report abuse
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written by Wayne , August 31, 2008
"I am not saying that QURAN is not stating the truth. I'm also not saying that other religions not stating the truth."
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Islam states explicitly that all other religions are false. Either you advocate that Islam is true to the exclusion of all other religions, or you affirm that one of the other religions (or indeed no religion at all) is true to the exclusion of Islam. There is no middle ground. report abuse
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your headline is misleading
written by kassim ibrahim , August 16, 2008
a muslim can convert in malaysia but they must go to the syariah court and not the civil court.that is the court decision and not that she cannot convert at all.Many have converted through this process.But Lina Joy for reasons only known to her lawyers wanted publicity and go the wrong way.the latest conversation was a chinese lady who became muslim to marry her muslim husband and after their divorce decided to reconvert.the syariah court approves the convertion.so lina what's your problem girl?
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written by Senior Citizen: , August 09, 2008
Hi! Every Malaysian please don't hurt each other through your emotions! Do you see that for 50 years we were suckers of our politicians who are "champions of your problems", "knowalls in this hi-tech age" and "experts" in every field in every of our country's woes.They're cons!!! Just kicked them out during election time. Most important, teach your children honestly what the real world actually is. Teach them to LOVE! And prepare them for the challenge through education!
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written by ongkor , July 30, 2008
its time for malaysia to embrace real democracy particularly on religious issues. lets respect human rights.. remember that religion came latter in our lives, history said that.
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written by mk , July 08, 2008
I wish to reply to jemz: Every religion claims to state the truth. I am not saying that QURAN is not stating the truth. I'm also not saying that other religions not stating the truth. But where is the choice? If I no longer believe in something as the truth, isn't htat my choice? I may go to hell for my choice BUT it is still MY choice nontheless. Which religion "compels, coerce and forces" people to believe it? None. Except Islam here in Malaysia. Does Islam in Malaysia really need to "compel, coerce and force"? If a religion is confident in itself, it will not need to "compel, coerce or force" to maintain members. Which other religion in the world, Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism needs to do this? People willingly follow and people can leave by choice. Where is the choice is Islamism? For myself, because of this reason alone, I will never subscribe to a religion that does not believe in giving its believers a choice.
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written by jemz , June 20, 2008
read and go through AL-QURAN you will know the truth. People can talk anything but the truth? Only ALLAH knows. Islam is a complete religion Takbirrr
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written by mk , May 21, 2008
I think that the people of Muslim faith in Malaysia are extremely "lacking in confidence" to the extent that even when people have renounced Islam and admitted that they have not and will not subscribe to the rules and teachings of Islam,the islamist still want to "force" them to remain a "Muslim-in-name"? Why? Is Islam so "lacking in confidence" that it needs to "force people to remain in Islam or snatch dead bodies away to be buried as Muslims etc? Are they afraid that if they open up, people will leave the religion in droves? hence the need to "use force adn coercion"? It shows a religion that is not confident of holding its own in a free world...just like how the Malays in Malaysia feel that they cannot hold their own in a free world (hence the need to continue with the subsidy and crutches mentality).
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written by a guest , May 11, 2008
where is our basic right, dun fall into those politicians & power crazy's trapp to spoil the harmony we builded for years. love your neibour & country, forget about religious and race differences.
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written by bethune , May 02, 2008
i am born in the year the country obtained independence. I am proud to be a malaysian but not sure of the bumi. I was in toronto, airport and i saw this bumi holding a malaysian passport. when he was asked by a canadian where he was from he replied spore. if you are so proud of been a malaysian, the message to the s**t guy in melbourne is come back and preach.i am sure when he/she dies there will be a place in heaven for this "holier than thou" person.
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i hope one day malaysia can open ,, can convert back what religion he or she want!
written by jay , April 13, 2008
It is very painful for people who cant convert back to buddhist or christian,, just like me before! i was so so sad becos my gf is a muslim,, she is a chinese but so how, my parent dont let us be together.. becos our religion not same,, she is chinese and she only love chinese. it is very painful.. finally i left her and finally she very sad and she suicide..
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i hope one day in malaysia can have this rule to convert back what they want.. thx report abuse
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malaysia cannot go forward this way
written by maatlockk , April 05, 2008
it's sad, really, how malaysia vaunts itself as a modern contry, when religious issues such as this recieve such...such... BACKWARDS treatment. the woman should be fre to do whatever she wants.
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i am a malaysian, i am a malay, i am a muslim. however, my religion is between me anf God. i think us muslims need to change our gameplan. we need to stop imposing such ancient rules on people; it's what's scaring people off from wanting to convert and it's giving Islam a bad name. we need to let people do as they please when it comes to chosing a religion. whatever their decision, God will deal with them later. in order for our country to move further, we need to stop condoning violence and the abuse of power. and let people choose their own religion. and to people who think at imposing their religiou views upon others is ok - ihave news for you. you're making peoe hate it even more. report abuse
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whatever the religion, just be good in it
written by rose , March 22, 2008
I am proud to be an Anak Malaysia...if only the government treats us nonbumiputras as bumiputras too. Religious believe should be from our hearts. Just like our dear Chief High Priest who passed away on 31/8/206 said "Whatever your religion, just be good practicing it and be a good person." MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!
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Once a Muslim, Always a Muslim
written by faiso , February 28, 2008
hey sorry but it is really sad to see our brothers/sisters going the wrong direction.. it troubles me to see that after so many people has died for this wonder full religion for so many many years that today we are saying bad thing about one another instead of helping each other. the reason that our people become astray is cuz of us ...we don't know anything about sisterhood/brotherhood anymore..
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just because i am not Malaysia doesn't mean i cant say anything i am proud Somalian who loves all her people and this person will suffer so much on the last day .... report abuse
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assalamualaikum...
written by misha , February 17, 2008
islam itu syumul. islam is a complete religion, read and go through AL-QURAN you will know the truth. People can talk anything but the truth? Only ALLAH knows. Wassalam
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written by Sulaiman , February 02, 2008
A person can be a Muslim without a label on a MyKad as long as they are born to a Muslim and/or practices Islam truthfully. Forcing of religious beliefs is not an Islamic practice. It is an ancient Arab and medieval European practice. I have lived and worked in several Muslim and non-Muslim countries and have one thing to say. Most policy-makers here may not have had the chance to widen their understanding of what they are doing, so we have to live with it for now.
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It insults me and my beliefs to see people in tudung and veils, or going for prayers, wondering whether it is because they seek to practice Islam from their heart or have to do it because of peer or family pressure.... whether they just know what they have to do or they actually understand what they are doing. If Lina Joy has already believed she was a Christian for so long, and practiced Christianity, despite the label on her MyKad, she is no longer a Muslim. In all sensibility, changing her label on the MyKad would no longer be something done to a Muslim anyway as she has not been one for a long time. The issue here is not religious or racial. It is how a large group of people who may have limited understanding, has let their interpretations and limited understanding affect the personal rights of another human being against the teachings they claim to understand itself. This is not a Malay, Muslim, or Malaysian thing. Things like these happen everywhere in every form. It's just a lot less reported despite how much "press freedom" is claimed in those countries. report abuse
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written by Dayak , December 30, 2007
Good moring all,
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U all busy n quite emotional in giving all the comments. Pls be professional n calm. Saying ourselves is good n others r not is not the ultimate ways to voice our feeling.Everyone has both good n bads inside them including myself. Same apply to what ever races, religions,cultures,etc.I don't think the we all live in will be an enjoy palce to live in if everyones acts in such a way. We all r made to be different in order to know n live with each others well. It is we ourselves need to be creative n smart how make this world to b a better place 4 everyone to in. Don't ask from those trees, animals, stones, wind, moon etc to guides us.There for there r religions, laws, rules, regulations etc made n agreed by those choosen n professionals 2 do all these. Pls respect them or u all can make yr own laws base on yr own places or regions.U can do yrs but don't forget about others or yr neighbours. If u show no respects to them I' sure u'll pay the price of doing so. There for use yr brain to think. Regarding d issue of who s right n who is wrong who r from India who's from China, who's from Arab etc,just forget them. This will never come 2 d end. We all r d new generations who need to works hands in hands to make this country a better placee to live in. Each individuals, races, believes, cultures, back grouds,etc need 2 put aside all d differences in order to do so. At the end we r d one who encounter d consequences.Any sensitives issues pls DO NOT throw 2 d public to make a comments or jurisdification because some r not professional n smart 2 do so.What we all shd do now s sit together n discuss in a most diplomatic ways to handle any similiar issues.Don't forget we r made 2 b different n different in ideas, opinions, styles and etc. Pls respect them. If u come 2 Sarawak, we r consist of more than 30 ethnic groups with all shorts of differences in what ever forms. U all in Semenanjong r only 4 main ethnics grps that r Mly, Chinese, Indians n org Asli. Even though some Semenanjong people still think n see that we Swak Sabah r still living in caves, junles, trees or using cawat(spender)but we never think n see others as negatives values.We always treat every foregners as most welcomes n great friends 2 us.Pls learnt a lesson from this jungle people.That's it! C u. report abuse
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Who will judge you on Judgement Day?
written by Blessed Christian , December 17, 2007
To Zoukie, please dont speak evil of Jesus Christ. Yes, He didnt ask us to celebrate Christmas and there was actually no such thing as Santa Claus. I kesian you that u dont even know that Santa has been a commercial gimmick eversince he was invented...to add spirit of giving presents to one another on Christ's Birthday because of the fact that religious men actually who brought valuable gifts as they visited HIM in the place HE was born. To those who condemned Christianity and Jesus Christ, please be reminded that Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of GOD willed by GOD to lay judgement on u Muslims and Christians alike on Judgement Day, correct me if I am wrong!
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We Don\'t Want Religious Nuts but Spiritual Beings
written by Truth , November 27, 2007
All well said, we are still human beings experiencing life on earth. When it comes to our religious believe, it is a choice that we make, and solely ourselves, no one else. We are talking about our believe system, our faith. Lets not force upon one another. God has given all of us a mind and to make our own decision on what feels right for ourselves. Lina Joy has made her decision, she embrassed Christianity. Let her be. It is not ours to say wheater she is right or wrong. Let God deal with her. Lets not judge her. With this, by right, she or anyone by that matter should not be subjected to any court of law to get her new religious believe approved. I believe it is the basic human law, to have the freedom of choice. Love is devine, and if she wants to marry the person she loves, we should not be obstructing them, by forcing both of them to embrass Islam in order to get married here in Malaysia. No one, be it if you are a devote Muslim, Christian, Buddist, Hindu, would like it, if you were forced to embrassing another religion that you not want to embrasse.
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vinod
written by malay , November 17, 2007
vinod, why dont u go to afghan?
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u dont just have no clue of what u r talking about, u dont even have a clue what Islam is. u r the pest of the country, a parasite wasting precious resources of the country. it is people like u who make this world what it is today, jahil! report abuse
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written by wits0 , November 01, 2007
Nasim, get your facts right. The sultans were seduced to convert by arab traders and their subjects had no choice but to follow.
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We could respect islam more were it truly a religion, making it a private matter, and one can leave it in peace if one's heart is no longer with it. A religion that's not a persuasion becomes virtually a cult. A persuasion is not composed of and by a set of "obligations", it must stay persuasion by choice. report abuse
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Ignorants vs knowledge
written by Siti Nur Haliza , October 30, 2007
Me totaly agree with Nonesyee. Me think the forum has revealed the true pictures of Malaysians. Me will always aware with whom people me dealing with day to day. Me know what type of Malaysians surrounding me. Me just lucky to know this. Gotcha......
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Federal constituition
written by nonesyee , October 30, 2007
Yes! I have to agree that i am proud to be malaysian. After working and staying years in more than 3 countries with full of luxuries but full of lies and crimes, I cannot deny and do not want to see the harmony in Malaysia to be jeopardized by the negative thinking fractional of the people. Also the non-muslims cannot be blame on this since they do not know the impact of being apostasy since they have no or limited knowledge about Islam depsite Islam is the constituitional religion of Malaysia. As the current trend of the society thinking and way of life always keep changing & unpredictable, the muslim leaders must make effort to ammend the Federal Constituition Article 11 in a form that to protect Islam and muslims according to the Koran despite the freedom of religion. The KEY word is; whoever apostasy or reverted from Islam, he or she are subjected to Islamic law will allow the authority to impose the CAPITAL punishment according to the shariah law. Islam is an easy, a way of life religion, only the people make it hard. Islam do not force people to embrace Islam, but once you re muslims you have to submit to Islam without more or less. Therefore to avoid the ignorance to argue about the issue, the constitution must be ammended to fit the current situation. Above all this will restrain people from mocking Islam. We want committed believers. Let us face the truth and people who thinking to revert or become apostasy will think more than 10 times....peace.
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written by vinod , October 30, 2007
islam is a religion which have no human rights.civilized people cannot follow this barbaric religion..for them afghan is the right place
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peace
written by pn maria- ex uitm , October 27, 2007
i am really proud to be malaysian , and for me the multicultural in in malaysia is why we are unic , i can speak 3 languages , i love to eat roti canai and apam for breakfast .. i can pray peacely in my mosque ... why must we ruin the harmony in our country?
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other people may be like this kind of argument but we as a malaysian have only this place that we never feel like we are lodge in this country. we can stand for our right if something bad happen.. every sunday morning we can go jogging peacely and monday morning we need to stuck in the traffic jam , but all this actually our life .. nobody can simply ask us to surrandering ur citizenship . please ignore the word from people that too emotional but not think properly.. live is too short , make it beautiful and you will smile when you meet your God... i love Malaysia , malaysia di hati ku.. report abuse
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muslims- biggest hippocrytes
written by proud hindu , October 26, 2007
muslims and ismal are the biggest hypocrist people on the earth- they want pseudo secular ( read pro muslim) laws and policies in non islamic nation and fundamental sharia laws in muslim countries.
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Peace
written by Rexfactor , October 25, 2007
When are the Buddists ,Christians , Hindus and Islams going to practice what the preach . Love Peace as when the world ends every body will end up in same place... this is the truth
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Ah, Malaysia...
written by ashutosh , October 22, 2007
I am an Indian, and I visited Malaysia recently to attend an academic conference and stayed at Sebang Jaya. I met quite a few people in Malaysia and went to places near Kuala Lumpur, Putra Jaya, and also went up the Petronas Towers. I was enthralled to see the development that Malaysia has achieved, considering that after WW II, nearly all Asian countries started off on almost an equal footing. In fact, I personally do not consider Malaysia to be an 'emerging' economy- it is more like a developed economy already. The success of Petronas in the world petrochemical business is spectacular, more so as it comes from an Asian country!
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But when I read this kind of news and associated comments, I do realize that Malaysia has still to achieve a 'developed' mindset, that will make the country truly developed. My only request to ALL of you in Malaysia is this- do realize what you have achieved so far, and do not fritter it away through such diversions. What does it matter who you worship? God is one, and everyone loves HIM. Do I have to prove my love to God by bad mouthing someone else? I think you all should focus on keeping your country vibrant through hard and intelligent work & thought- these issues that essentially drain your energy are not worthy of you. Focus on the vision of your great leaders- they have brought you this far, now you have to go further. I admire Malaysia and ALL its people, and I want to retain my admiration for you. report abuse
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written by malaysianpeople , October 19, 2007
Religion is between me and God.
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Once a Muslim is always a Muslim in Malayasia
written by Aju Mukhopadhyay , October 18, 2007
When lakhs were forcibly converted to Islam in several countries here one cannot shift faith officially though mentally or otherwise one does not belong to that religion. This is a serious case of fundamentalism in a free world with human freedom. This is agains Human Rights. How can such religions be tolerated in the modern age of diminishing faith in God. Are such compulsions coming out of faith on God or anything else?
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not ashamed to be malaysian
written by but ashamed of malays , October 09, 2007
just look through the comments written in malays(for those who can read malay) and see.. GO BACK CHINA AND INDIA! thats what they've been saying for the past 50years now.
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i like what Bumi Tulin-Orang Asli said. Malays can come to China with me  we welcome you on our boat. and we will push you down. and as for Lina Joy,Your body is the temple of God. Not the court house.your cause is a bigger/higher one. report abuse
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written by Muslim , October 04, 2007
IF anybody don't like that go back to india or China..GO!!!
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Allah U Akbar
written by Adeel Ansari , October 04, 2007
Makan Time!!
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respect
written by connie , September 18, 2007
For the benefit of foreigners reading this site, Malaysians do really coexist peacefully and harmoniously. With the exception of a few angry comments most people there live quite comfortably amongst all the mosques, churches and temples. When I lived there, my house at christmas used to be filled with friends from every religious background. Most people take each other for what they are be it muslim, hindu, christian etc. Regarding Lina Joy, her heart doesn't belong to Islam so why do you want her there. If you believe so, then she will be judged by Allah.
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Muslims, Christians, Buddist, Hindus and the whole human race, respect our human beings even though we don't agree with what they believe in. We all speak different languages, eat different foods, live in different circumstances, are of a different race, nationality...and colour, and most importantly have different beliefs because it would be so impossible to only have one religion........it would be nice to respect that. report abuse
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GOD
written by Ed , September 10, 2007
Thr cowardly "leaders"have ruled. perhaps it is time to find true leaders if the people really need to follow.
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A Love Left to Argue
written by Malaysian-Spirit , August 31, 2007
If we keep on arguing, we still make no sense of what world we are living in. It doesnt matter how hard we try, but we will come to the point that world is far beyond any civilisation's that existed for thousands of years.
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We dont have to take desperate measures, to shout here and there... This is wrong and that is right, because no one can really say what is TRULY RIGHT, and what is TRULY WRONG. It was just majority who say it to be RIGHT, then others have to follow, so vice-versa. We are no expert in this, so I believe let those experts in their field do their work. I love to be Malaysian, that I have let go my British nationality with pride! www.xtradime.net report abuse
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To Christians
written by Zouki , August 30, 2007
All those in favor of Christianity will know but still deny that its a fabricated religion. Let me make this clear especially to Lina Joy. Jesus never celebrated Chrismas. Nor asked his followers to do so. Nor did he seem to know that you Christians will today. And who the hell's Santa? The only morals they have is whatever the majority decides. Not what God decides. By the way, speaking of God... Have you people decided whether God is one or three yet by now? (I mean its been more than 2000 years). Oh the dilemma. Peace out.
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sUDAH JANGAN NAK KUTUK PASAL ISLAM!
written by Prihatin , August 30, 2007
Pasal lina joy, dia sendiri yang cari masalah. Dah tau Agama Rasmi Malaysia Agama Islam so klu nak sangat kahwin dgn orang Kristian p la negara Eropah,Amerika ka atau mana2 negara yang sewaktu dgnnyala.
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Nampak sangat Lina Joy ni sengaja nak timbulkan perbalahan diantara agama Islam&Kristian. Ni yang dikatakan musuh dalam selimut. Pasal orang2 macam ni,Agama Islam pulak yang dikutuk. Klu didalami pasal agama islam, ia adalah agama yang cukup sempurna dan indah. So please stop kutuk ISLAm. report abuse
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WOMEN\'S RIGHTS - what\'s that?
written by a guest , August 18, 2007
I wonder why it is not possible for a Muslim to convert: are Muslim religious leaders afraid that if religion is a CHOICE too many would convert? If yes, well, then obviously these people are not happy with their religion. If not, why force them to remain Muslim?
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And even if conversion to Islam might be considered by some (Christian) partners of muslims, the fact that WOMEN’S RIGHTS are absolutely KICKED AND PUNCHED under Sharia Law in Malaysia is probably the decisive factor for not doing so and rather not marrying the person you love or emigrate and leave country and family in order to be with your chosen partner. A real shame for Malaysia. Singapore is opening its doors to foreign talent, Malaysia, that needs some talent in economcis and other areas, much more desperatly than Malaysian, LOCKS all doors. Continue singing your "all men" and "all bumiputra" song - in years to come, Malaysia will be suffer for that. report abuse
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Stop Criticising Each Other, But Respect Each Other - Key to Harmonious Malaysia
written by Brewster , August 11, 2007
I am a Malaysian by birth and a Chinese decent. Having stayed in China for more than 11 years and never been voted before, but I am still proud of being a Malaysia because Malaysia is a multiracial country. Every one needs each other and so is we need the Malays. They are equally important to us. Neither will I criticise the Muslim Malays just because of the court judgment passed on Lina Joy. Every citizen must respect and abide to the country law system. In this instance, the Syariah law.
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Stop Criticising Each Other But Respect Each Other - Key to Harmonious Malaysia
written by Brewster , August 11, 2007
I am a Malaysian by birth and a Chinese decent. Having stayed in China for more than 11 years and never been voted before, but I am still proud of being a Malaysia because Malaysia is a multiracial conuntry. Every one needs each other and so is we need the malays. They are equally important to us. Neither will I criticise the Muslim Malays just because of the court judgement passed on Lina Joy. Every citizen must respect and abide to the country law system. In this instance, the Syariah law.
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Jangan kutuk Melayu, kutuk Islam takpe....
written by kebenaran , August 09, 2007
Orang melayu jangan taksub dengan ugama orang Arab hingga sanggup mengeluarkan kata2 boleh kutuk melayu jangan kutuk Islam. Sebenarnya Islam berasal dari pedagang India dan Arab yang datang ke tanah Melayu.
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Oleh demikian mereka lah yang lebih berhak mempertahankan Islam. Orang melayu hanya menumpang sahaja dan tiada kaitan langsung dengan sejarah pejuang2 arab. Orang melayu dari sebelah sini hanya menerima apa yang kita faham mengenai Islam. Tapi sekarang ni nampaknya orang melayu mahu melupakan bangsa dan budaya sendiri sambil menagung agungkan budaya arab kononnya kerana Islam. Contoh penggunaan bin oleh orang melayu adalah terlalu naive. Bila saya tanya orang arab mereka kata mereka sendiri tidak menggunakan bin lagi sekarang. Begitu juga orang melayu ada yang hindu ada yang christian ada yang Islam. Jangan begitu naive dan jahil mengenai 5 ugama yang penting didunia ini. Islam bukan hak melayu dan tidak lahir dari dunia melayu. Orang melayu kebanyakan tidak faham quran dan jika mereka faham tentu mereka takut dan tak berani jadi Islam. Islam yang diperkenalkan oleh pedagang InDIA adalah basic dan lebih kepada universal values bukan yang kuno seperti potong tangan dan hukum bunuh untuk murtad. report abuse
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She is a christian
written by truth , August 09, 2007
She is a Christian but no Government agency is willing to be the party to certify her as not Islam. A case of every one too dumb scared. The fact is can marry or do what ever she want but officially the Malay civil service is afraied to take the rational steps to leave out Islam in her official id. It used to be easier when Malays were easy going but now they are scared stiff of God...! due to their misereable understanding of the Arabic relgion. They are alomost cartoonish in their trust of Islam. Their non comprehension of Arabic adding to the almost mythical elevation of Islam that even the Arabs themselves don't believe in. There are Christians arabs is almost incomprehensible to the Malays on the Street. The jew are monsters beyond proportion. It is almost the malays are living in their own vivid imagination of the arabian world.
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written by It is a cult , August 08, 2007
Islam is not a religion it is a cult by all definitions. All infidel must submit to islam or die. Mindless muslim have had this pounded into them for generations. they will not accept peacful co-existance. It will be a islamic globe or no globe. they have clearly stated their intentions time and time again.
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religion?
written by zech , July 31, 2007
i think we all should summon this so called god if he really exist, the creator? all i can see now is chaos with this ancient n primitive believe. only lead to war for nothing.. crusade war? For God? where is he? ever visit us today? ohh i am sorry religion teach good things to do when u really need something to hope or to believe with. praying only make someone feel calm n do good deed in hoping to get God attention. actually God never did coz he never exist, who wrote or give those sacred text r non other than normal human.. even hitler can wrote a book n make people who hate jew to join him milions of people followed him
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god?
written by zech , July 31, 2007
did god ever exist? why he never visit us since jews make out new religion n left cristian n islam bhind? jews give birth to both religion n they r also the 1 who killed JESUS right? in palestine the jewish state slaughter both muslim n christian, destroy mosque n make a huge hole on churches! we all still blind, jews r domonating the world in silent,they can even make best freind kill each other.. make powerfull propaganda in the region, insurgent in iraq? how do iraqi asshole make ide? if they knew how to make them saddam already longtime dead with roadside bomb during his time...
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written by rleez3 , July 27, 2007
I'm writing this because I care for everyone of us who are born in Malaysia.
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I don't know why knowadays ppl always try to argue about the issue of religion. For me, all religions are the same cause they teach human to become good. Does anybody dared to say I'm wrong. It doesn't matter it's ISLAM, CHRISTIAN, BUDDHIST, HINDU or whatever. They are teaching the same things. Let me ask one question. If let say there's a man who is Christian and he always do the bad things such as killing, raping and robbing, he will also go to heaven. And does it means like for example a man who is Muslim and keep doing good deeds in his life such a donating money, caring, humble and etc, he will go to hell just because he's not christian. Come on, does it make sense? The above is just example. Not to criticise any religion. For me i respect each of every religion like my own religion. Let me tell you one thing. There's only one GOD. God created so many religions in order to test our tolerance between each and every human in this world. After, we die, I believed all of us will be judged by the good and bad we did in our life to determine who can go to heaven and who to hell. It's not been judged like what religion you from. As for racial sentiment, I beg all Malaysians to stop criticising other race. No matter what race you from but all of us are Malaysians. We are born in the same land, grow up in the same land and work hard for our country. nobody can dicriminate any one. Ok. Do not relate chinese to China and Indian to India pls. Maybe our great great grandparents were from there but for this generation, we are not related to those two countries anymore. I love my motherland Malaysia and I will fight till the last drop of blood to protect it. I hope all I explained above can restored the brotherhoods of all Malaysian where we had before. Pls. Do not be like our neighbouring countries who keep killing between each others. When that happen, nobody gonna win. Everyone will suffer. Thanks for your time. report abuse
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written by denizen , July 17, 2007
Malaysia is definitely a nice and beautiful place which we all share.There is no place in the world that one finds total fairness, maybe this is only meant for in GOD's Kingdom. Lets stop belittling religion and respect each other as humans. In a family, having a misunderstanding or argument is normal, thus will ever a father or mother wish ill on their offsprings.We are in flesh and blood same but differ only in appearance, so let us not get carried away by ill wishing others. There is NO joy in HATRED. UNTIL WE BELIEVE WE ARE HUMANS THROUGH N THROUGH, NO RELIGION CAN CLAIM TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
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Kembalikan nurani islam
written by NurIslam , July 12, 2007
Assalammualaikum,berhentilah berbalah biarkan lina roy dia telah memilih jalan nya mari kita sama2 menjaga maruah kita dan maruah anak2 kita supaya ia tidak akan tercela lagi,wahai para ibudanbapa didiklah anak2 kejalan yang allah redhai kerana didikan pertama anak2 adalah ibubapa jangan kta menangis kelak hanya kerana nak menjaga hati anak2 biar anak2 kita menangis sekarang kerana didikan kita yang tegas dari mereka menjadi bangsa yang tak kenal agama.kalau berjalan dimana2 malu melihat gelagat anak melayu yang ntah kemana islannya berkelakuan tidak senonoh dan berpakaian Ataqfirullah alazim malu nak pandang.Marila kita mendidik anak2 kita adik2 kita saudara2 kita dengan ajaran sebenarnya islam, lina joy tu lantak kat dialah dah jadi rebung susah nak lentur nanti dalam2 kita do sibuk pasal lina joy anak2 kita terbiar,Wahai anak2 ku jadikan ini iktibar jauhilah perkara yang merosakkan, tidakkah anda bangga menjaga maruah sendiri, menjaga bangsa sendiri, menjaga agama sendiri kalau kita mampu menjaga itu kita akan merasa kita cukup sempurna walaupun sebenarnya kita tidak sesempurna mana,Insyaallah.
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Take it easy
written by Wing , June 26, 2007
I think Malaysia is a nice place full of lots of interesing people. Visiting, I get a feeling I do not find any where else. There are lots of issues that need to resolved there. Actually in a Muslim country with Sharia law if someone converts to Islam they should be given a chance to change their mind. If they don't they should be killed, (not in M'sia though). However, if you look at the teachings of both religions, it's clear which one is superior. But you have to look with an open mind. May malaysians like m'sia for what it is, and appreciate it more when they visit other countries. Everyone just has to work together for the common good without giving people advantages that do not deserve it.
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Let it be
written by Ruzail , June 22, 2007
There is always faulty in laws made by human to control human, if they think it should be like that, then let it be. we all have our own standings, we know what is right and what is wrong. According to muslim law, I also think the court decision is not right. In Islam we have to respect others' religions. They can choose and we have to respect it. But in this world, money has power, and certain people have control on certain things that others don't. So... if we can't make it right, just let it be... God knows who is right and who is wrong... but we must still respect others. Amin.
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It is an exciting world out there
written by Ex Chinese-M'sian , June 18, 2007
I am an ex Malaysian of Chinese decend but now residing in Shanghai. My advice to all Chinese is, don't waste your precious time arguing with these Malay medieval & feudalistic barbarians for they will eventually run this country to the ground & M'sia will become irrelevant in Asia, much less to the rest of the world. Do you know there are thousands of successful Chinese M'sians already excelling in China, Taiwan & Hong Kong, let alone our neighbour S'pore? M'sian artists are doing exceptionally well in China, Taiwan & HK - Michael Wong, Penny Tai, Mohan etc..When you consider a theatre as large as 1.4 billion people, what is the weightage of 24 million of M'sia? It's mere peanut! Hence, for Chinese in M'sia, please go out to explore the whole wide world & not live with these arse-holes Bumi barbarians under their tiny little coconut shell! Do you realise almost 60% of the S'pore Cabinet Ministers, 90% of their fighter jets pilots, 90% of their hard sciences R & D labs & other highly sensitive posts are held by ex M'sians? There are already giant Parksons, Shangrila Hotels every where in China, even many small Klang bak-kut-teh stores are beginning to make their impacts in the smaller cities & towns in China! What is most striking is these Mainland Chinese welcome us like long-lost distant relatives & they always go out of their way to make us feel comfortable! They never forget the helps overseas Chinese extended to them during their hardships during the anti Japanese war in the 30's & they consistent say, this time around when China is already strong & powerful, they will no longer allow M'sia or Indonesia to kill their Chinese minorities so blatantly & arbitrarily without arousing a firm response from China! So for the young, talented & wealthy Chinese, come to Greater China! Do you know you may be participating in a historic mission in building the most powerful, prosperous & advanced nation in the world unprecedented in human history? Forget these arse-holes Malays! Let them die in their sweet dreams forever chanting `Alahu Akhbar' !
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Pariah students produced under the Bumi quota system
written by Waste of my money sending you , June 16, 2007
Shame on you anak Mealyu in Melbourne for you can't even write decent English let alone wanting to engage in a literal sparring with others! It is hardly surprising for these are all the Bumi s**ts mass-produced under the idiotic quota system which deprives other more deserving students. Shame on your Allah who happens to profess love & benevolence but yet have these disciples who insist on praying 5 times but yet never quite practise true Islamic teachings from the bottom of their hearts.
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You may be the ruler & we may have to put up with your s**ts for now. But history will be the ultimate judge & let's see your political or even your very existence can endure for another 500 years or even longer. Put it simply, when it comes to the crunch, one tiny S'pore is enough to finish you off, let alone giant China! report abuse
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IM PROUD TO BE BUMIPUTRA, IF YOUR NOT PROUD GET OUT!!!!!!!(chinese,indians and christians
written by ANAK MELAYU DOK DI MELBOURNE , June 15, 2007
to all you gooks talking bad about us malayu people.you and the hindu pariah and the sly scum parasite cristians should get out of malaysia.go back on the boat you came from.as far preaching us about islam,telling us that our ancestors were hindus, to all you chinese GOOKS,dont you even realise that FAT LUMP OF s**t THAT YOU SPRAY IN GOLD COLOUR called "BUDHHA" is not a "GOOK",but A "HINDU".
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the "HINDU" budhha ,(if you know your history)came from wealthy family,he was spoiled little "HINDU" who decided to leave home and to go on hippie journey in to nepal and bacame worshipped by dumd lost people that beleves in fat little yellow doll called "BUDHHA".orang cina yang bodoh pecaya buhha to looks like asian.... JUST TO LET ALL THE CHINESE PEOPLE KNOW IN MALAYSIA EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK BAD ABOUT ORANG MEALAYU,YOU SAY OUR RELIGION IS BAD,WE DO NOT WORSHIPPED DOLLS LOOKS LIKE GARDEN ORNAMENTS,DO YOU EVEN REALISE THAT BUHHA IS HINDU PARIAH?YOU IDIOTS!!!HE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE CHINESE OR THAI OR VIET OR CAMBODIAN OR MOGOLIAN OR JAPS oR KOREAN HE IS A HINDU FROM INDIA!!!!LEARN BEFORE YOU SPEAK YOU DUMB CHINESE ,YOU MAYBE SMART AT MAKING MONEY THATS ABOUT IT!!!DONT FORGET 1969 if it wasnt for TENGKU ABDULRAHMAN YOU GOOKS WOULNT BE IN MALAYA DONT FORGET MELAYU DID YOU A FAVOUR!! report abuse
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written by timc , June 14, 2007
frankly, we're going nowhere arguing like this. Let's get up and move on.
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written by Islam is my way of life , June 10, 2007
budak zaman sekarang dah x ikut ajaran islam..
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senang2 jek org kafir nak hantam islam klw korang betul2 ikut ajaran islam, xdenye jd camnih aku salahkan mak bapak sbb korang la yang patut pupuk cara hidup islam dalam diri anak2 korg alhamdulillah makbapak aku amalkan cara hidup islam, hantar aku gi skolah agama yang bukan islam ni pulak jgn le amek kesempatan nak hina islam, jgn sbb sorang islam yg buat hal korang dah salahkan islam, kalau korg nk tgk cara hidup islam sebenar tgk le cara hidup nabi muhammad dulu, orang biase cam aku nih x bley lari dari kesilapan, kite bknnye malaikat atau rasul, korang ingat org islam suke2 jek nak berperang? org islam berjihad utk mempertahankan tanah air & agama sbb itu yg dituntut oleh agama islam korg bayang kan jela family korg kene bunuh, rogol, korg nk duduk diam jek? aku x kisah le korang nak kutuk melayu ke, cina ke ,india ke tapi JANGAN KUTUK AGAMA ISLAM!! tapi wat ape nak kutuk2 kan? yang kalah bangsa kite gak.. bangsa MALAYSIA mane la PERPADUAN yang di ajar kat skolah2.. sia2 jek nk komen sket pasal kes lina joy, aku mmg sokong la ngan keputusan mahkamah, korang patutnye respek la ngan keputusan nih, kan agama islam agama rasmi negara nih, jd segala keputusan yg melibatkan agama islam x patut di sangkal, bagi aku senang jek, klw x dpt terima negara islam nih, pegi je la kat negara lain... report abuse
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Ms Joy has chosen
written by v , June 09, 2007
I am somewhat surprised at all the negative feelings and hatred generated here. Some comments were too personal and totally irrelevant to Ms Lina Joy's case. Is it necessary to humiliate other people and their religion? Islam is not a religion that one embraces and leaves at one's whim and fancies, neither for that matter other religions. Ms Lina however has chosen her religion (has been for 17 years now) and perhaps has even chosen the perfect country to live in with her loved one. If Malaysia is really as bad as is portrayed, then isn't she lucky to have fled this country?.
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written by Dr.Abdul Aziz , June 08, 2007
Respect all religions. The Creator will judge us all.
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Unity is strength. Think for the future generations and what we will lwave as legacy. Build on character. report abuse
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Islam--Not a religion of reason
written by no brainer , June 05, 2007
I cannot understand this. If the faith of Islam is so strong and bond so powerful, there should not be all the force and violence needed to keep people in the religion. If the truth is so strong, why the need for force. Reason and truth should prevail to persuade people (humans) to accept God or Allah? To me, it is the fear that the truth is not there that these people use force and violent to put fear into people so that they do leave the religion. That is why we see all the violence when ever any criticism is made of the religion.
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Who want to live in peacefull country?
written by Peace Keeper. , June 05, 2007
Who want to live in peacefull country?
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I'm questioning every person that read this comment. My assumption answer is yes everyone. But then why we are Malaysian throwing out racism issue that can lead to riot, havoc and what so ever in this peacefull country? Why, because they didn't want to live peacefully..egoistic and what so ever. Don't care who you are, we all are from the same father and mother Adam and Hawa.or Adam and eve..what the hell all this people fighting for their race...we are from the same gens... Just to give short comment on the court appeal do delete the status.. The judge is Cristian, but then why he cannot approved that appeal.Why he trying to give a bad image to Malaysia. Just give her that damn title then Malaysia image will be good.That it. Simple solutions.If people want to die let iy be, if people want to live ..just let it be..nothing can be done to stop want people want.Only God know why. report abuse
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stop being silly and start using your brain
written by nia , June 02, 2007
i can't believe this. all this racist remarks. please act like civilized people. we are all malaysians. we will all stick and breath in malaysia for as long as we live. don't make inconsiderate statements based on race and religions. please respect others. don't ruin the peace we have.
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yes, i know, behind all the peaceful country upfront, we have issues going on. yes, its true. but so does every other country. and truth be said, the peace we have now, despite the conflicts, is hard to find anywhere else. there is still be discrimination in every country, in china (despite everyone being 'putih'), in india (where the population is , what you call 'gelap'), in america (the acclaimed 'free country'), in indonesia (where you can never tell a person's religion and race based on looks). its everywhere. i am not saying that we should just take all the crap others put to our face, but we can really learn how to handle this wisely, with our brains intact, that is. in this Lina Joy case, if she still persist in her heart to be a Christian, she is one, and no Malaysian court can stop that. she is no longer a Muslim. your religion is what in your heart. and if you ask any Muslim, they will tell you this too. from the law point of view, the Constitution states in Article 11 that everyone can profess and practise their freedom freely, but the Constitution also added that this is not entirely so for the ones professing Islam. (below is the First and Fourth Clause in Article 11 of Malaysian Constitution) Article 11 1. Every person has the right to profess and practice his religion and, subject to Clause (4), to propagate it. 4. State law and in respect of the Federal Territories of Kuala Lumpur and Labuan, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among persons professing the religion of Islam. thus, clearly, the court's decision IS according to the constitution. and as Malaysians who choose to be Malaysians, we MUST respect that. report abuse
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NO BIG DEAL (See John 3:15)
written by michael soh , June 01, 2007
Lina Joy is a Christian. She is not denied from receiving Christ as her personal Savior by the courts of Malaysia. So, lets stop focusing on differences and aggrevating the differences to pain. We live in a multi racial country. Such discussion, in the tone of divinding people and sowing mistrust with each other will only hurt everyone.
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The bible does not say that we will loose our salvation if we are lable as a non believer by man. Man is not greater than God. No where in the bible that says, we will loose our passport to heaven if we are burried in a wrong burial ground. All these arguement are waste of time for Christians. We matured Christians look at the spiritual realm of life. We worship our lord in Spirit and in Truth. Spiritually, Lina Joy is abundant of joy in Christ. The Truth, she has her full blessing and joy to worship Christ as her personal savior. Jesus never advocate confrontational ways to fight for titles or lables. He is against all forms of confrontation with non believers. He is only confrontational towards our own kind ( pharasees )......... never towards a non believer. If we live by the sword, we die by the sword..........says Jesus. Lets focus on building bridges and stop running down our fellow Malaysians. I am proud to live in Malaysia and we should do what it takes to make it work in Malaysia. Malaysia is for all Malaysian. report abuse
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NO BIG DEAL ........ See John 3:15
written by Michael Soh , June 01, 2007
Lets not focus on dividing and aggrevating differences to pain.........I honestly dont think it is big deal here........... Lina Joy is a Christian. She is not stop by the courts of Malaysia from accepting Christ as her savior. It is important to note that she believes in Christ and she has eternal life.
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A label in an identity card does not rob her from her spirtual blessing. Nor her passport to heaven. Our God sees us in spirit and in truth. We worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. Spiritually, Lina Joy is a Christian. The Truth, she accepted Christ as her personal savior. Focusing on labels, arousing differences in the flavour of JUSTICE can be very dangerous in a multi racial country. Trying to fight pressure with pressure is self defeating. Try to show love to win souls is the solution that Christ always shared with his followers. He is against any form of "confrontation" with non believers. He is only confrontational with Pharasees (our own kind). If we live by the sword, we died by the sword......says Jesus. (no way in the bible says that you loose your salvation if you are wrongly lable as a non believer or you are burried in a wrong burial ground..........these are carnal ways. We are grown up and we see things in the spiritual realm) report abuse
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Melayu nor Bumiputra never bornMuslim
written by Cina , June 01, 2007
Melayu is a race of rojak, rojak to the extent that most of the Melayu forgot who their ancenstors were.
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A rojak race Sejarah Melayu recorded Melayu were descedents of Indian King, or when Alexender (Iskandar) the Great when he was King of India. So, Melayu are Indians! Yes, they are Indians, who the first King of Melaka? Parameswara, an Indian true and true! When did Parameswara came from, Palembang, Indonesia, in which case, Melayu is Indonesian! Where come Tunku, a royalty related to Thai, and when Tunku quarrelled with Lee Kuan Yew, Tunku tried to show he had a great great ancestor: a Mongolian! Woh! Melayu descedents of Ghengzis Khan loh! (On Par with Alexender the great, right?) Where come Razak & Onn? Johor royalty, so Sultan Mahmud lah the ancestor, going up, Parameswara lah! So, Melayu Razak had Indian root! mahathir dari mana? Pakistan lah! Melayu itu Pakistani lah! Andullah Badawi man? Nenek dia dari Pulau Hainan, China lah! Itu Syed Hamid, Sai Chiak kau pa punya anak, dari mana, Syed itu Arab lah! Melayu itu Arab mah! Itu Sheikh punya kaki mana mari? India mesti. Itu Khir Toyo, Java lah, Melayu itu Java lah! Melayu itu rojak, right? Maybe it's because they are rojak, so, they tend to belittle or forget their nenek moyang, who were Hinduists for thousand of years! Had Hiduist applied the same law of boleh masuk tak boleh keluar, where go Melayu today? To think about it, Lina Joy must be sent by Allah to test the Munafikin! report abuse
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Melayu Bumi Tiruan
written by Bumi Tulin-Orang Asli , June 01, 2007
Allahu Akhbar! Kamu juga balik Tongsan (China)! Kaum Melayu betul-betul berasal dari Yunnan (tahu manakah Yunnan? Sibodoh! Carilah ia daripada peta Negara China!)Province di selatan China, jiran kepada Negeri Thai, Laos & Myanma. Kalau tak bercaya, pergi lah baca buku-buku Anthropologi yang tersimpan di Beijing atau pun British Muzium di London, bodoh!
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Kaum Melayu berturunan daripada kaum HUI yang memang beragama Islam beribu-ribu tahun lalu dan ia masih di dapati di Ning Xia (tahu manakah Ning Xia? Pergilah cari sekali lagi daripada peta China!)province di utara China. Kaum ini berkulit putih sebab Ning Xia terletak di zon berhawa sejuk. Kaum ini telah berhitjrah ke Yunnan, Guanxi, Pulau Hainan dan berkahwin dengan kaum-kaum minoriti saperti kaum Dai (Orang Thai), Hmong, Laos, orang asli Guanxi/ Hainan dan lain-lain. Kaum-kaum ini tentu berkulit coklat sebab kawasan ini terletak di zon yang berhawa panas. Ini lah nenek moyang kaum Melayu. Tak bercaya? Perdana Mentri Ahmad Badawi memang berasal dari kaum Hui daripada Pulau Hainan! Tengok lah betapa putih nya kulit dia dan seluruh anak-anak nya! Majoriti peminpin2 UMNO orang Melayu tiruan. Musa Hitam, Noordin Sopiee, Wan Azizah, Badawi dan lain2 semuanya cap naga. Mahathir, Fadzir Shiek Fadir cap Pakistan; Syed Akbar, Hussein Onn, Ungku Aziz, Syed Hussain Alatas cap Arab........ Saya orang Asli (Negritos,Sakai..) yang betul2 orang bumiputra yang tulin. Orang Melayu baliklah ke China juga! report abuse
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Islam a false religion
written by historian , May 31, 2007
Islam is a false religion invented by the Arab Muhammad who was mentally deranged, suffered from severe fits caused by hallucinations, who plagiarised from the Torah as he lived among the jews who were verykind to him and whom he repaid with their slaughter years later; a paedophile who lusted after his 'brother" Abu Bakar's infant daughter from the time she was born and convinced him that the pagan god o the hindus which Muhammad copied as the divine one decreed that Ayesha was to be his - the sex maniac never had a virgin wife; a bandit who conducted raids every month hence muslims from his time to today are robbers in every sense of the word - malaysia is prime example , robbing from the non malays properties through the Land Acquisition Act, parasites feeding off from the chinese who contribute to 85% of the country's taxes; a quick glance at the OIC countries show that all muslims are in the pithell known as failed states. Islam is a cult of DEATH
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to their own as well as others. SATAN'S INVENTION CARRIED OUT BY MUHAMMAD. ISLAM SHOWN TO BE JEWISH HERESY Written by To The Point, Inc. Thursday, 18 January 2007 It has been suspected for over a millennium that Islam originated as a Jewish heresy. The constant references in the Koran to Moses and Noah, the claim of Arab descendance from Abraham, and the incessant demand that the Jews of Mecca accept Mohammed as their Messiah have always formed persuasive evidence. But there has never been any hard archaeological or documentational evidence - until now. Researchers at the Allahu Gawwad University at Majnoon, Saudi Arabia, recently discovered a parchment in a mountain cave near Mecca. Radiocarbon-14 dating confirmed its antiquity: 640 AD /- 30 years. Mohammed reportedly died in 632. Because of the explosive nature of its contents, written in ancient Arabic script, knowledge of the parchment has been the most tightly kept secret within the Saudi Kingdom - until now. To The Point’s clandestine sources within the Allahu Gawwad University have now been able to provide an English translation, proving at last the true origins of Islam. Here is the word-for-word translation of the ancient Arabic written upon the parchment. So stupid malays, subscribe and find out for yourself. Your own Mufti of Perak slams you wheel-chair bound, on crutches parasites as spending 4 billion on liquor and gambling. Hypocrites! Liars! Islamofascists! Malays - a doomed race! report abuse
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written by senior citizen , May 31, 2007
Regarding the "spread of Islam by the sword", I would like to point out that in the 50's, PAS(or PIMP, at that time), had a policy of "the sword or the koran"; this was the 6th tenet of Islam. This did not gain favour with the rest of Malaya, including UMNO. Over time, esp with Dr M, the idea of "muslim superiority and malay superiority" began to take root. This, I believe, was because Dr M realised the the NEP was failing. The only way to galvanise the Malays now was the introduction of something with strong emotional and religious overtones which can roughshord over more important issues/values like self reliance, hard workingness,sense of achievement etc. Hence you see now in Malaysia, the obsecession with Muslim dress code, "indecent" behaviour in public, covering of the face with a veil. All the deviant Muslim sects, have one common feature: obsession with sex. Think I am conning you? Go and check it out for yourself. Malay achievments in any field of human activity requiring intelligence and hard work is abysmal. Of course, there are the odd one out. I know, because I teach postgraduates. The examination I prepare them for is prepared overseas, with visiting examiners. Inevitably Malay candidates want to know one thing. Does the government have any input in the examination. There is none - hence few Malays sit for this examination. The NEP has destroyed the core values of the Malays. Dr M is the man who did it. But the Malays don't see it. To them, Dr M is the man who will lead them to "malay superiority and muslim superiority". Dr M has done what the Jews want to done to Muslims, i.e. destroy them in the core. The whole psyche will then collapse; but the Malays will not know it, because they have not learned to use their brains to work out their problems.
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Frog Under The Coconut Shell
written by To Hell With This Lazy Facist , May 31, 2007
The Malays are one of the most pathetic racial groups in the world. Virtually devoid of any measureable achievements, through hard sweat & toil of course & not those which money can procure (like the Petronas Twin Towers), to speak of, whether in science, technology, sports, economy & host of other human endeavours, it is utterly surprising that these people still persist to imagine that their country is still god-zone & paradise! While others (like Vietnam & Thailand)in S.E.Asia are busy finding their niche in a globalised world in building up their countries, the Malays squander their time & energies shadow boxing over virtually insignificant issues like race, religion, how much left to further wrest from the the more productive non-Malays etc (instead of wealth creation, they are more interested in the share of wealth others create).
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There is a buzz word amongst the foreign expat community - whatever the Malays touches, the object will invariably turn from `gold' to `coal'. This amply describes how lowly the Malays are generally regarded! There was even one article by an Australian by the name of Michael Backman who ridiculed the much hyped slogan `M'sia Boleh' as `M'sia Bodoh'. Of course, these negative insinuations are not made out of the blues. Just pause & look back at their mega blunders through the years - Proton, Perwaja, Bank Bumi, UMBC Bank, Bakun Dam, MSC, Kuantan Port, Airport (in terms of throughput), Tertiary Education (University ranking), school systems (national schools being turned into Islamic madrassas), crumbling civil service, MAS etc....& the list is endless. There was an interview by Aljeeera (Arabic TV Channel) on Dr Mahathir before he retired in which the Arab commentator rightly commented that all the visible signs of modernity in M'sia are virtually built single-handedly by the Chinese & Indians without any input from the Malays! These people are therefore mere modern day nuts! Look further at these vivid comparisons with tiny S'pore(which incidentally shares a common history with M'sia): .Per Capital Income - 1967, at par with M'sia; 2007, almost US$ 40000 vs US$5000 (in S'pore's favour) .GDP growth - 8% VS 5.6% .Exchange Rate - 1967, 1:1; 1970's, 1:1.1 (in Ringgit's favour); 2007, 2.3:1 (in S$'s favour) .S'pore became `developed status' in 2000, M'sia aspires to be one by 2020 (mere wishful thinking? God knows this will ever materialise!) .S'pore's economical fundamentals sucessfully restructured to becoming service, financial, biotech, hitech oriented; M'sia still struggling to find her niche .Immigration policy - S'pore throws her door wide open to skilled immigrants; M'sia still sings the bumiputra protectionist tunes! . lots of other examples too lengthy to elaborate It's time these Malays wake up instead of shouting Allahu Akhbar. Your Allah cannot win you any progress or meal on your table but will bring bombs, death, destruction from the Christian West! It would be really lovely to imagine a future scenario where there will be no Chinese & Indians left in M'sia, where M'sia will likely decend into a medievil feudal state. By then, the Malays will still find themselves marginalised because they still cannot compete with their more hardworking brethrens from Indonesia! What an aweful twisted irony! report abuse
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Misrepresenting facts to demonise Islam
written by Lotfi , May 30, 2007
This is typical of outsiders trying to misrepresent facts to demonise Islam.
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This case is NOT about Lina's right to convert. Nobody can stop what's in her heart; for all that matter she has already left Islam anyway. The issue at stake is, administratively, who has the power to change the details on her identity card. The Constitution states that ALL issues pertaining to Islam falls under the jurisdiction of the Shari'ah courts, not the High courts. The former is not subordinated to the latter, but runs parallel to it. If she wants to register her conversion, then she should seek the judgement from the Shari'ah courts, not the High Court. She refuses to do so, making a big deal of the matter, whereas such courts have previously allowed such conversion e.g. the case of Nyonya Tahir. I believe the so-called human rights groups are not sincere in highlighting this issue, as evident by their misleading everyone about the real issues affected. I believe they have an agenda to push. report abuse
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Who\'s chopping heads now...
written by xavier stone , May 30, 2007
Well??? And telecast it live on the internet...wonder how good old Nabi M will take to this? Will he roll over in his makam yang terpuji thinking that with one hand his disciples in Malaysia sembahyang, and the with the other take bribes ( in fact, aren't they the biggest brive takers now among the many races)...instead of "Allah hu Akbar"'...I think we should be singing..."Allah...what's wrong, Allah, what's wrong?"
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Guess again
written by Abu Asran , May 30, 2007
Wonder how the first Christian arrived in Malayan Peninsular? Was it with love and peace or was it with arquebus and cannons, the 'shock and awe' weapons of the 16th century? No wonder the muslims resist Christianity.
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Balik Ke China & India
written by Xavier Stone , May 30, 2007
Allah Hu Akbar - Kita boleh balik....tapi kalau kita...siapa mau bikin kerja dalam ini negara...engkau orang mana bikin kerja, asyik tea-break, sembahyang atau makan duit kopi saja...
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Allahu Akhbar
written by Murthi , May 30, 2007
Allahu Akhbar. Kalau tak suka boleh balik China dan India. Pergi !
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written by sooaun , May 30, 2007
it is a sad day when humans lose their basic rights. this is indeed a step backwards for malaysia
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A Fast Rising Failed State
written by Doom-Sayer , May 30, 2007
This will help put to rest once & for all the myths of religious freedom of the Muslim community, the supremacy of the Constitution over the Syariah laws & the self-professed notion of a liberal & moderate Islamic UMNO government. This also represents a severe set back for secularism in multi-racial M'sia.
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If this is in itself not enough to frighten you off, consider also other factors like rampant racism, corruption, high crime rate, incompetent/rude civil service, crumbling economical fundamentals, high cost of living, dwindling employment/business opportunities, sky-high debt burden etc.... These sound like perfect recipe for an impending making of a failed state! report abuse
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Islam came to malaysia by trade
written by nasim , May 30, 2007
It's the wisdom and trade that brought Islam to this country and south east asia, not sword. This is not middle east. Get you facts correct.
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Islam by Force
written by Boby , May 30, 2007
I won't say much, except the fact that Islam got spread by sword and will always continue to force its rules on people by force and sword
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Malaysia’s highest court ruled today in a split decision that a Kuala Lumpur woman who renamed herself Lina Joy has lost her 12-year fight to legally become a Christian. According to Malaysian law, Joy will remain a Muslim whether she wants to or not, and her religious status will remain on her identity card. Justice Richard Malanjun, a Christian, dissented in the ruling. 
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SHAME ON YOU SINGAPOREAN!!!!!
Malaysia do suffer from the recession but SINGAPORE SUFFER WORST. it is because your economist is not really that talented. you stupid economist just follow the US style like a cow and see now what happens? that's your foreign talent. you gt what you ask